Joe Biden 2020 campaign megathread

[Thatkat04]

Biden needs to run an absolutely flawless campaign against candidates who are going to go for the jugular, something I don't think is likely. The attacks from the Sanders camp alone will probably put a dent in his already precarious front runner status. This primary is going to be long and bloody, something Biden will struggle with.

[Thatkat04]

Biden could certainly win and hes the front runner, but he's nowhere near the favorite that Hillary was. And more to that point, Hillary was absolutely raked through the coals by the left. Almost everything Hillary had done in her life was brought to the forefront and yes, her lead shrunk because of it. She still won by double digits in the primary, but there were basically only two candidates. Everything in Biden's closet will be brought to light, which is why i'm not sure his tenuous lead will hold, especially because there are so many other options. I mean, he could be like Trump in 2016 and lose the lead multiple times, only for the other candidates to implode one by one.

[Thatkat04]

its weird. In 2016, it seemed like people had a subconscious need to dislike Hillary. So when an old gaffe or soundbite came out, people were quick to change their views on her. But Biden is the opposite, it seems like the average person likes him and it'll be hard to actually change their mind. Because of that, I don't think brining a 45 year old soundbites will actually change anyone's view.

[Thatkat04]

Yeah, Biden has alot of "awkward" exchanges with women.

However, the article posted by @henster isn't what I'd call getting "me too'd".

Now, if someone accuses him of sexual assault then we can talk about damage. But at the moment, the only thing we have is an awkward old man who really needs to get better at respecting personal space.

[Thatkat04]

Statement from Biden:
https://twitter.com/mviser/status/1112352042473922562

He groped children on tape. This statement means nothing.

Yes. And children who were showing very obvious signs of discomfort. And the fact that Biden couldn't even take that into account says a lot about his capacity to think about the consequences of his actions and his capacity to take other people's feelings into accounts.

I know atlas dislikes Biden, but I think this line of attack seems a bit extreme.

[Thatkat04]

I do think Trump's surprise win in 2016 might help keep progressive voters in line if Biden wins the nomination. I dont think you'll find many Susan Sarandon's advocating for Jill Stein this time around.

[Thatkat04]

Voters will forgive most things as long as the accused is repentant.

[Thatkat04]

Controversial opinion but I like Joe Biden.

[Thatkat04]

This is 2016 all over again, except with Biden as Hillary.

That's my fear.

If anything its 2008 all over. Biden is the front runner, but nowhere near the level Hillary was in 2016. In fact, I'd go so far as to say Biden is not as strong as Hillary was at this point in 2008 either. In 2007-2008, Hillary had a double digit lead until the Iowa Caucus. Biden isnt even ahead by ten points. His lead is tenuous and he has very little room to fall.

If Biden gets attacked as much as Hillary did in 2016, he's not polling well enough to stay in first. Biden needs to win the Iowa Caucus, keep a New Hampshire loss respectable and win huge in South Carolina. If he doesnt do that, he's not going to win. I'm not even sure if he doesnt win Iowa, he'll stay the front runner. Hillay's numbers plummeted after she lost Iowa in 2008. Biden cant afford that.

[Thatkat04]

Its pretty easy to see why democrats like Biden. He's a big dollop of generic with just a hint of likability. After almost 4 years of Trump, the average democrat craves anything resembling normalcy. And yes, Biden's voting record and behavior towards Anita Hill will probably hurt him in the primary. But no one is going to care come the general when he's facing Trump. As long as Biden doesn't have some reoccurring scandal(like Hillary's emails), he'll be fine.

[Thatkat04]

Its pretty easy to see why democrats like Biden. He's a big dollop of generic with just a hint of likability. After almost 4 years of Trump, the average democrat craves anything resembling normalcy. And yes, Biden's voting record and behavior towards Anita Hill will probably hurt him in the primary. But no one is going to care come the general when he's facing Trump. As long as Biden doesn't have some reoccurring scandal(like Hillary's emails), he'll be fine.

There's the problem. He's literally got Anita Hill and the touchy-feelies against him. Trump and the hypocritical GOP will use that, and it will stick.

Trump has been sued for racial discrimination and has talked about "grabbing pussys" on tape. Trump can try all he'd like, but neither "scandal" will get him anywhere. And neither you listed are "recurring scandals". Anita Hill happened 30 years ago and I cant really see any "new developments" popping up every couple of weeks. Biden being touchy feely hasn't damaged him yet, and Trump would just look like a huge hypocrite by constantly bringing it up.

Edit: I'm sorry though, the GOP are going to use Anita Hill? The women whom they also went after. Wut?

[Thatkat04]

Its pretty easy to see why democrats like Biden. He's a big dollop of generic with just a hint of likability. After almost 4 years of Trump, the average democrat craves anything resembling normalcy. And yes, Biden's voting record and behavior towards Anita Hill will probably hurt him in the primary. But no one is going to care come the general when he's facing Trump. As long as Biden doesn't have some reoccurring scandal(like Hillary's emails), he'll be fine.

There's the problem. He's literally got Anita Hill and the touchy-feelies against him. Trump and the hypocritical GOP will use that, and it will stick.

There's also his Ukraine issue.

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/436816-joe-bidens-2020-ukrainian-nightmare-a-closed-probe-is-revived

I'm sorry but if you believe this is going to be a successful GOP talking point in 2020, I have a bridge to sell you.

[Thatkat04]

This just sounds like economic nationalism, if anything.

Thats exactly what it is.