Democrats pushing for extended eviction ban

[lfromnj]

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/29/biden-eviction-ban-expire-501544

Senate Democrats are scrambling to find a way to extend a nationwide eviction moratorium after President Joe Biden on Thursday announced plans to let it lapse in three days.

Democrats “support extending the moratorium and are exploring options to do so immediately,” a spokesperson for Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) said, warning Republicans against blocking the measure. Democratic lawmakers including House Financial Services Chair Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) had been urging Biden to extend the ban because of concerns that a wave of people were at risk of losing their homes as Covid-19 cases surged.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1420828848594239489

Probably just virtue signaling so they can blame Mitch?

[lfromnj]

I hope Biden extends it

Biden passed the buck to congress as Kavanaugh already said he won't extend a new one from the CDC.

[lfromnj]

Clearly the feds should pay their rent if necessary.

The offer depending on location is IIRC 80% of rent due, with very delayed payments and you can't sue your tenants after.  Also no raising rent despite the the rising inflation. Also obviously only for LMC and below tenants.

https://www.inman.com/2021/03/23/some-landlords-are-declining-funds-from-the-emergency-rental-assistance-program-heres-why/

Another factor at play is differences between local rental assistance programs and how much payment landlords can get. For instance, in Broward County, Florida, assistance programs won’t cover all of a tenant’s back rent if it’s for more than one month — they’ll only cover 60 percent.

“If you have someone who wasn’t upholding their end of the contract … you’re asking the housing provider to sign up for essentially another year of this person being in this unit unable to pay,” Amanda Gill, government affairs director for the Florida Apartment Association, told the Journal. “You’re really putting them in a really difficult position, because they have ongoing obligations.”

Also accepting the federal assistance means you can't evict this tenant for another year.

[lfromnj]

https://twitter.com/sarahnferris/status/1421114675534733320

Interesting. Thought they would just let it die in the senate.

[lfromnj]

My question is still unanswered, and it's what is the ultimate plan for this eviction moratorium? Because at this point the pandemic isn't a reasonable justification anymore and it seems like what the left is arguing for is for a permanent or indefinite end to evictions.

 Why is the pandemic not rationale justification? If President Biden thinks the ban should be extended I believe he's working with better information than you about the threat the pandemic still has on the economy and society.

Why should the pandemic still be a justification? Practically everywhere is hiring, especially places that will hire the people most likely to struggle making rent. My 17-year-old nephew got his first job recently and gets paid 13 dollars an hour (in Nebraska!) to work part time at a sandwich place. I'm saying that if we still need an eviction ban now then I'm assuming we need it perpetually because as far as I can tell, there's no unique reason for it to be in place now as opposed to any other time. I supported the eviction halt early in the pandemic by the way.

 Your low information analysis about your nephew and sandwich shops is not the greater economy and says nothing about the social fallout of a mass wave of evictions. I think President Biden is working with a broader and better set of facts than you are, no offense.

Okay, that's fine, I'm low information. Inform me! That's all I've been asking for in this thread is some answers and I've gotten nothing other than jabs about how evil I am.

There is the argument that Federal aid is coming. It has just been a crapshoot. Also Federal aid as far as I see doesn't pay for all the rent but the Landlord has to waive all the rent and they can't sue. Along with that accepting Federal aid means you can't evict said tenant or increase their rent for another year. This has made a lot of landlords just not want Federal aid .

[lfromnj]

https://twitter.com/sarahnferris/status/1421163562492432394

Surprised by this one, thought they would just push it towards the senate so all the blame could be on Mitch.

[lfromnj]

Interesting thread. Waters, Ocasio-Cortez, Bush and others are vocally angry at senior Dems.
As I understand it they are adjourned through August now.

https://twitter.com/heatherscope/status/1421231352435912710?s=19

It seems a majority of the house did not want to extend it.
Not sure what earlier notification does.

Also did seriously no staffer warn congress of what Kavanaugh said?
Biden literally said it would be the last extension by him because Kavanaugh refused to push  it any further.

[lfromnj]

https://twitter.com/ChadPergram/status/1421236316717690886
Can't wait for the Biden admin to use Unhoused people.

[lfromnj]

https://twitter.com/AndrewSolender/status/1421305856252067840

Bush seems to be the most adamant on extending it. She seems to want to extend not because of the pandemic but because she views evictions as unjust.

[lfromnj]

I mean the thing is Federal Aid is coming but its pretty slow and it has too many conditions attached. I assume that any landlord who is willing to accept it won't evict but the remaining probably want to evict?

[lfromnj]

Better question is why didn't Biden/Garland go after the states who are just sitting on the rent assistance. Only 6% has been given out

I think they have to give 65% out by Sept 30.
https://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta-news/federal-rental-aid-trickles-out-as-tens-of-thousands-of-georgians-face-eviction/XBG5JULY3FF4NCHKWN4SLLZD4A/

In June, he finally received a call back from DeKalb’s Tenant-Landlord Assistance Coalition: it could cover a third of the $12,000 he owed. Elam said he’d be able to provide an additional $3,000.

His landlord, though, declined to take the payments because Elam still couldn’t come up with all the money, Elam said.

The thing is landlords don't really want to risk this deal the governments are offering.
Also I think in some areas they just gave too much money.

Cherokee County had also spent 8% of its $7.7 million by the same date.

That says maybe on average 20k renters?

Are 20/92k households actually behind on rent?

[lfromnj]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2021/08/03/white-house-evictions-democrats/

The Biden administration is expected to announce a new action to limit housing evictions, moving swiftly after intense pressure from liberal House Democrats, according to three people aware of the matter.

The exact details of the measure were not clear, the people said. The people spoke on the condition of anonymity to reflect a matter not yet made public.

[lfromnj]

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/03/us/politics/evictions-housing-moratorium-pelosi-yellen.html

The new ban would cover about 90 percent of renters in the country, according to a Democratic leadership aide briefed on the proposal.

[lfromnj]

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/03/cdc-to-issue-new-eviction-ban-effective-through-october-3.html

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is expected to announce a new federal eviction moratorium on Tuesday, according to a source familiar with the matter.

The eviction ban will be targeted at areas of the country experiencing high levels of coronavirus infections. The protection will last for 60 days until Oct. 3 and could cover around 90% of renters.

The CDC’s original eviction ban, which had been in effect since September 2020, expired on July 31.

New Ban going to October 3rd.

[lfromnj]

I understand you're a landlord or whatever, but you could try having a little more empathy here. You can think this is the correct policy without framing it as "great".

Ending this moratorium is in the best interests of renters too.

How, specifically?

It may lower rent for the majority of renters who pay.

Along with that IIRC Dule and Torie have said they or their families keep one of their homes empty right now to avoid dealing with the eviction ban. If they knew that there was a lesser risk of having a tenant stay there for more than 2 months without paying they may decide to rent out the homes which would increase supply and thereby also lower rent.

In the long run having less negatives associated with the rental market may encourage extra development.

[lfromnj]

https://twitter.com/josephzeballos/status/1422690806511644674?s=20

Oh wow the President unilaterally placing criminal penalties when a majority of the house refused to do so.

[lfromnj]

Again, why does Biden think SCOTUS will uphold this?

He doesn't.  He basically admitted he is abusing litigation time to squeeze a few more days along with  trying to pass the blame on SCOTUS for not allowing something that could eventually end at unilateral dictatorship.

Note* this action by itself isn't a dictatorship but allowing this effectively gives the CDC infinite powers.

[lfromnj]

Long good Effort post

Ok I don't really agree but I gave the recc because it was a pretty good explanation of your views.


Now anyway the government is arguably paying landlords. Infact any landlord who wants the government relief won't be evicting their tenant.

However issues include

• The fact the payments didn't really come till months after. This can also be blamed on Trump
• The fact there are still delays in the payments in how the states are giving it out. Note the most commonly cited example is FL but it isn't really a red state issue. NY IIRC has been the worst state
• They come with conditions such as only paying most of the rent instead of all and expecting the landlord to waive the rent
• Often has severe restrictions on evicting the tenant anyway to replace them with a better tenant even after the debt is covered.
• Also has restrictions on rent increases depending on state

Now a landlord trying to recoup their losses has to debate accepting this pretty bad offer.
Now let's see.

Looking at it only from the info that H Ross gave us.

As far as I can tell, I'm the first poster on this thread whose life is directly affected by the continuation of the eviction moratorium. My parents as well as my aunt and uncle (siblings, not a married a couple) who live in the same apartment complex as us have been struggling to meet their rents for the past year after having faithfully paid rent for decades to our apartment, with some of my family having lived there since 1988. My dad has faced reduced earnings from his job while some of my family members are still looking for long-term work. None of us intend to avoid paying the rent indefinitely, but even if not directly pandemic-related, the eviction moratorium as well as accompanying rental aid takes off a heavy burden for us. Despite the left-leaning nature of this forum, this thread seems dominated by instinctual rightists (regardless of avatar colour) who seem to see the average renter failing to make payments on time as some kind of shiftless lumpenprole who is merely using the opportunity to live rent free indefinitely.

Even if the landlord doesn't really have sympathy he really should accept the offer. Recouping 80-90% of his losses from a long paying tenant would absolutely make sense especially if they were paying for the previous 30 years.

Now on the other hand say a landlord got a tenant at say January 2020 who they tried to evict in February but ran out of time. Here I guess you probably only recoup a small percentage from a collections agency but at least you can replace with a better tenant.

On the last hand I want to ask H Ross Peron if his family's apartment complex is rent controlled?
33 years seems like a crazy long time for renting an apartment and my best guess is it is rent controlled.

In this case it would actually make sense for the landlord to evict as they could make more money from new tenants.

[lfromnj]

Holy **** this is modern day legalized slavery
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/small-time-landlords-hanging-on-by-their-fingernails-as-eviction-moratorium-drags-on/amp/?taid=610d1df2e362840001f1fdc8&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

One woman stopped paying this spring, Sookram said, then demanded that he fix her hot water heater when it blew. That ended with city officials threatening Sookram with daily fines.