BREAKING: Roe v. Wade might be overruled or severely weakened by SCOTUS

[lfromnj]

Well Murder law's don't stop all murder, time to repeal them all!

To harry: That's basically what you are arguing. Find and use another argument to defend the pro choice perspective.

[lfromnj]

There kind of is a constitutional right to concealed carry already whether the left wants to recognize it or not because they don't like guns.

Overturning Roe is an extremely bad idea, on the converse.

A few alternate scenarios to all the doom and gloom here.

I've said before Gorsuch has a pretty "squishy" record on abortion and Roberts is just chicken and never wants to be the decisive vote to bring about change. So I could see a path to it being upheld 5-4. There also could be compromise where Mississippi's ban stays in place but Roe is not overturned altogether. Which would be non-optimal but still better than a bunch of states being able to full on ban all abortion.



What is the point of winning elections if you lose on the actual issues? This is the apex of the "politics as a spectator sport" mindset.

Where is Gorsuch's squishy record on abortion?

[lfromnj]

I'm honestly increasingly beginning to believe this is a good thing. It would drive D turnout up and R turnout down for the midterms.

What is the point of winning elections if you lose on the actual issues? This is the apex of the "politics as a spectator sport" mindset.

You misunderstand the nature of the abortion issue.

If this decision is overturned, suddenly, millions of people will no longer have a reason to vote R. They could start voting for their own economic interests, finally. This might finally give us the voting power to end the seemingly unstoppable wealth inequality spiral.

You do realize that Republicans still have to pass laws to actually ban abortion and after that still stay in power to keep said bans?

[lfromnj]

Dule , shouldn’t you as a libertarian support the individual states right to pass their own abortion laws

What?
How does that have to be with being a Libertarian?

Dule has expressed disdain for Roe before but thats due to separate judicial beliefs. He still is very pro choice.

[lfromnj]

Dule , shouldn’t you as a libertarian support the individual states right to pass their own abortion laws

I'm torn. I do believe that Roe was poorly decided (as lfromnj noted), and I understand that whatever threshold the law establishes for "personhood" will be fundamentally arbitrary on some level (not unlike the age of consent). However, Blairite is also right in noting that libertarians should not endorse any government taking away people's rights, whether that is a federal, state, or local government. In fact, smaller governments are often more prone to wild reactionary conservatism than the federal government, so in some ways I trust them less to preserve people's rights.

That said, I am ok with certain states passing certain abortion restrictions-- but the idea that a zygote is equivalent to a living person is fundamentally insane and any attempt to legislate to that effect should be resisted. I personally think the cutoff for abortion should come when the fetus becomes viable, but unlike certain people, I understand that there is no exact moment when a fetus becomes a person. Personhood isn't something that happens in a split second. It is a gradient scale, and while either end of that gradient is clearly defined, there is no naturally occurring delineation in between that we can use as a basis for legislation.

My opinion is states shouldnt have the right to ban abortions without the basic exceptions and also not have a the right to pass the type of laws Virginia tried to pass in 2019 either. I think both of those would violate the constitution.

Other than that I think states should have the constitutional power to do what they want

Why would it be unconstitutional for a state to ban rape abortions if they can ban abortions in general.

FWIW I do the see the argument for why moderate pro lifers can take that position with an exception due to the fact that consenting to have sex can be seen as consenting to the risk of pregnancy but rape violates that said original consent.