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lfromnj
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« on: May 11, 2021, 02:32:02 PM »

So what exactly are the Sheikh Jarrah evictions?

Is it just following basic property laws such as what would be done in the US or is it different?
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« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2021, 03:43:58 PM »
« Edited: May 11, 2021, 04:31:59 PM by lfromnj »

So what exactly are the Sheikh Jarrah evictions?

Is it just following basic property laws such as what would be done in the US or is it different?
No, there's an important distinction with US law. In this case, a pro-settlement organization is attempting to claim that the land was Jewish-owned before 1948, so it should be given to Jewish families today, regardless of the fact that Palestinian families have been living there for several decades now. Under Israeli law, Palestinians are prohibited from reclaiming property lost in the Nakba, while Israeli Jews are permitted to re-claim properties lost at the same time.

Under US law, this would be impermissible. The doctrine of adverse possession allows you to take legal possession of property you've been using so long as various conditions are met (possession has to be hostile, actual, exclusive, open and notorious, for a set period of time). If this was happening in the US (at least in most states), the Palestinian families would be able to claim title to the land they currently occupy. I'm not sure how Israeli law on adverse possession works (if it exists at all), or how it interacts with the laws I mentioned in the first graf, but it seems like it hasn't been talked about much in regard to this situation, so I assume it doesn't apply.

Was there a reason said property wasn't claimed like say in 1970?

I do know there would have been some shaky stuff dealing with Jordan I assume during that period.

IMO the issue isn't the eviction itself but rather how its unequal as parrotguy mentioned.
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« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2021, 10:49:33 AM »
« Edited: May 14, 2021, 12:30:16 PM by lfromnj »

Compared to many nations over the years, including my own, Israel is pretty restrained. Does this mean they're in the right, of course not.

Why do they even feel the need to build settlements in the West Bank when there's plenty of space in the Negev?

This isn't defend the settlements per se, just explain the reasoning why its not the Negev.

1. The Negev is a desert, these settlements generally have better climate although most really aren't farmers.

2.Obviously the religious aspect of it being in the "Holy Land", so they can settle the Holy Land.

3. Suburbanization of Jerusalem. People work/commute to the city so lots of settlements are near here. Some mini settlements within Jerusalem itself generally involve Jewish groups collecting money  to buy a home/complex and then evicting the Palestinian renters.

The reasons overall are mixed with each other.
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« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2021, 09:45:28 AM »
« Edited: May 15, 2021, 10:08:32 AM by lfromnj »

Disinformation. Using media as a military weapon





Ok legitimate question, there will be attempted Gaza missile attacks in the short run.

How should Israel retaliate to stop said attacks?

This isn't to say the hugh civilian deaths are justified but Israel should be able to retaliate in some manner.
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« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2021, 10:49:10 AM »


Ok legitimate question, there will be attempted Gaza missile attacks in the short run.

How should Israel retaliate to stop said attacks?


Israel shouln't target indiscriminately residential areas, or buildings used by correspondents and news agencies, under the false pretense Hamas terrorists use civilians or journalists as human shields. Firstly, bombing residential areas is a war crime contrary to the rules of conflicts; secondly, most of the buildings targeted by the IDF are not locations for missile launching, but places where Hamas militants eat or sleep. Being the world's largest open-air prison, Gaza is one of the most densely populated places in the world.  Bombing the areas where Hamas militamts live (not the locations of the rockets) leads invariably to the death of many innocent civilians, including children. This is a blatant war crime.

Let alone the Israeli authorities could do much more in order to prevent these situations, because only propagandists and die-hard supporters of #TeamIsrael ignore the fact this current escalation began in East Jerusalem,  triggered by far-right settlers and quite possibly by Netanyahu himself. Not to mention Israeli authorities have abandoned any pretense of "peace process" and do nothing to alleviate the humanitarian situation of Gaza, submit Palestinians to a regime of apartheid,  etcetera.  

Said this the rocket attacks are unacceptable. But they don't justify savage and disproportionate retaliations, oppresive regimes or kahanist progroms. Hamas must be combated, like all the organizations that resort to violence, but Palestinian civilians must not pay for the crimes of Hamas militamts. The mistreatment of Palestinian civilians throughout Israel-Palestine must stop

You just attacked Israel for bringing Hamas to a non civilian zone using "deception"
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« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2021, 11:02:08 AM »



Don't focus on property destruction guys(in all seriousness it is quite bad that non combatants are losing their livelihoods and I genuinely do feel bad for Gaza civilians. Not so much for AP though.

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« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2021, 11:46:00 AM »

Don't focus on property destruction guys(in all seriousness it is quite bad that non combatants are losing their livelihoods and I genuinely do feel bad for Gaza civilians. Not so much for AP though.
You are an utterly vacuous presence on this website. If you'll excuse war crimes, what else do you believe in?

*potential war crime . The IDF which i dont trust either obviously  has stated it was a hamas intel area. I would like some independent confirmation if that is true or not. So far the AP has complained but they haven't actually denied the IDFs statement.

However overall after what the AP said about how property destruction doesn't matter, i have little sympathy towards them even if its still bad what happened to them.
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