Illinois News

[lfromnj]

https://www.thetelegraph.com/news/article/Madigan-loses-another-Speaker-vote-15769913.php

Even Madigan's house leadership won't support him

[lfromnj]

https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2020/12/10/illinois-legislative-black-caucus-endorses-michael-madigan-for-speaker-making-no-mention-of-comed-bribery-scandal/

Thank you, moderate and corrupt black caucus legislators!

Just can't bribe those white suburban women like you could with downstate pork.

[lfromnj]

Now Madigan needs to persuade the white suburban women its racist to oppose what the black caucus wants.

[lfromnj]

Madigan needs to resign, otherwise we're risking someone like Bob Dold or Adam Kinzinger beating J.B Pritzker in 2022.

I highly doubt this happens, and even if it does, it is worth the extremely gerrymandered maps that Madigan will give us, a Governor Dold or Kinzinger would be powerless in the face of a Democratic legislature, while a new leader might not be willing to be as ruthless as Madigan.

You're an objectively bad person if you support Mike Madigan from a distance.

Are all of the Republicans who support Mitch McConnell from a distance, bad people then? You can't just say someone's bad because they like Democratic hacks and not apply the same standards to liking GOP hacks

Mitch McConnell is a national figure.  Madigan only affects residents of Illinois.  Democratic hacks IN ILLINOIS hate him, dude.  He’s a bad person, and your stunt of liking him is not only weird, it’s in bad taste.

I don't see why its wrong to want a strong gerrymander to counter GOP gerrymandering in the rest of the nation?

Besides MD dems  most other Democrats won't go as far as Madigan would. Suburban white moderates took away that power from Democrats in Virginia for example.

[lfromnj]

What I find odd is the idea that Madigan is the only one who can draw a strong gerrymander and this weird implication that, if he leaves, the entire rest of the party will just fold and draw a fair map or something.

Madigan has a lot of influence and strength, but he's not some god. Most of the redistricting decisions are made between the members of his caucus discussing who they want to take out, what areas they want to represent, what areas they don't want to have in their districts anymore, etc. Its not Madigan just handing out decrees from Mt. Olympus on who gets to go where, its a group discussion that leads to a group decision.

No of course the rest of the party will still draw a big gerrymander but if you don't think some of these progressive or even moderate suburbanite legislators are against gerrymandering ( see virginia amendment 1) that's foolish.