Trump signs order targeting undocumented immigrants in the US census

[lfromnj]

I think states should use it for legislatures but yeah I cant see a congressional argument.

[lfromnj]

This is logistically completely impossible to implement as well ...

The Census Bureau has got all hands full to even collect the raw population totals until October 31 and then compile the raw total population number until April 30.

With insignificant data on citizenship (mentioned above), it is impossible to create citizenless apportionment data in such a short timeframe.

At some point, the CB will simply tell Trump they cannot do it.

Case solved.

(And if Congress doesn't pass the extension by 4 months, as requested by the CB, they only have until Dec. 31 to produce the numbers ...)

That is true

I wonder if states could use a registered voter list instead to count everyone for purposes of legislative redistricting.

[lfromnj]

Ok Which Democrats would support this in the constitution?

[lfromnj]

This is logistically completely impossible to implement as well ...

The Census Bureau has got all hands full to even collect the raw population totals until October 31 and then compile the raw total population number until April 30.

With insignificant data on citizenship (mentioned above), it is impossible to create citizenless apportionment data in such a short timeframe.

At some point, the CB will simply tell Trump they cannot do it.

Case solved.

(And if Congress doesn't pass the extension by 4 months, as requested by the CB, they only have until Dec. 31 to produce the numbers ...)

That is true

I wonder if states could use a registered voter list instead to count everyone for purposes of legislative redistricting.

No, because that is not considered a legitimate base, since registration is not mandatory. There is a SCOTUS ruling on this from Hawaii, where they permitted Hawaii to use the registration list for one last apportionment.

Hawaii excludes non-permanent residents from legislative redistricting. This was aimed primarily at military personnel stationed on military bases, primarily around Pearl Harbor.

The redistricting commission has wrestled with this issue in recent decades, at one time deciding it was too hard to do, and was unconstitutional. The Hawaii Supreme Court ruled that they had to do so.

What they currently do is get administrative records from the DOD. The DOD has up to three states they can use (one is for state income tax purposes, one is where the service member resided before enlistment, and is where they are stationed). Lots of service members claim Texas, Florida, or Washington because they don't have state income taxes.

Hawaii reasons that if you aren't paying Hawaii income taxes, you are temporarily residing in Hawaii only because you were ordered to, and have no intent to stay upon separation. They also exclude alien students - though only the public universities cooperate. Hawaii has a relatively large student population from Pacific Island countries who may not have any universities of their own.

The Alaska Constitution has similar provisions, but are ignored. At statehood, military probably represented 10% of the population, perhaps even more of the adult population.

Kansas does not count college students at their college. I'm not sure how they adjust.

It is clearly constitutional to base legislative elections on equal numbers of potential voters (citizens over 18). If proportional representation were used, you would not give a voter additional votes if they had children, or (formerly) slaves or were married. Why should someone have more votes if there a lot of children or non-citizens in their neighborhood?

The question is whether you can measure that population accurately to draw districts.

What if a state like Georgia did it as they have automatic voter registration ?

[lfromnj]

Oh yes wanting to end rotten boroughs is now white supremacy.
Give me a break!

(I agree it's almost certainly not constitutional for congressional districts  just stick to that )