Congressional Special Election (last call! unstickied after NY-27 final results)

[lfromnj]

Also IMO  Cooper should have appointed one of the GOP members as head of the board while the replacement is still a dem.
It seems the GOP members are fairly bipartisan and willing to work so he could picked one of the two.
By replacing a contraversial dem with another dem the optics aren't great.

They are working together for now, but this is North Carolina. That could easily change, especially given that there is a House seat at stake. The NCGOP has built up a solid reputation as totally untrustworthy and consumed by greed and a lust for power, so they should never be given the benefit of the doubt. Now, if we were in another state, perhaps you're right, sure.

I mean the optics would clearly look much better. Or atleast the indie should have been appointed the head. It really isn't good to make the head the head a dem again IMO.

That's stupid. I mean, the Republican candidate's campaign is essentially being investigated for fraud and the Democrat's have to appoint a Republican to a nine member board to save face? There are already four Republicans on the board who the Democrats can get to vote with them to show bipartisanship, they don't need to cede their majority on the board to do that. Also, addressing oddities in elections is not the only thing the Board does for the state. Giving up power for a single (admittedly important) issue makes no sense in the longer term.

OH NO im not saying that Cooper should have replaced it and made it 5-3-1.
Im saying he should have made one of two republicans the chairman instead of a democrat. Or at the very least the independent.

[lfromnj]

at this point bagel just has to be trolling.
Even on RRH about half of them are conceding a new election might happen besides the hard right hacks like Krazen.

Also bagelhttps://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1069730439810768901

[lfromnj]

And I think so long as McCready is unable to catch up, Harris should be certified regardless of fraud. An insurmountable race ought to lead to certification.

That's not how this works. Any fraud committed in an election should nullify it regardless of if the candidate trailing can catch up.

no lol
If it is proven the fraud was limited and Harris was not involved then it should be certified. A special election is a waste of money in that scenario and also a middle finger to the other Harris voters and the plurality of voters who wanted Harris.

[lfromnj]

And I think so long as McCready is unable to catch up, Harris should be certified regardless of fraud. An insurmountable race ought to lead to certification.

That's not how this works. Any fraud committed in an election should nullify it regardless of if the candidate trailing can catch up.

no lol
If it is proven the fraud was limited and Harris was not involved then it should be certified. A special election is a waste of money in that scenario and also a middle finger to the other Harris voters and the plurality of voters who wanted Harris.

If fraud is determined to have occurred, would you agree that the result should stand only if the maximum POSSIBLE extent of that fraud would be insufficient to change the result?  (i.e -- if there's ANY way that the fraud could have changed the result, the election should be thrown out.)

Yeah more or less . If they find 907 destroyed ballots/fraudulent ballots go ahead I am fine with it.


Voter fraud although rare probably happened in small individual amounts in every district in the country. Does that mean every election should nullified?
Of course not.  It would be really unfair to Harris if he was innocent(id say its a 50/50 that he is innocent) and the votes did not affect the margin and he also lost the SE.

[lfromnj]

https://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/channel-9-uncovers-similarities-between-absentee-ballots-in-us-house-district-9-race/882660808

Also full article and video link of the witness harvesters. Its looking more and more like fraud but I am trying to keep a neutral perspective here unlike some hacks who believes that a single vote of fraud should mean mcready won.

Anyway a TLDR is say person A harvested ballots from 40 houses. There is a required witness to sign. They signed all 40 houses. Now why would someone be signing as a witness for strangers unless they harvested. Its now overwhelmingly pointing to fraud. Anyway these witness signers probably commited a crime by harvesting but at the same time they thought it was legal. Obviously there will be some punishment but its clear they were just thought they were doing honest work.

[lfromnj]

How many votes is required in the House to expel a member? A simple majority or 2/3rds?

im pretty sure expulsion is 2/3 but refusing to seat is just a simple majority.

[lfromnj]

And I think so long as McCready is unable to catch up, Harris should be certified regardless of fraud. An insurmountable race ought to lead to certification.

That's not how this works. Any fraud committed in an election should nullify it regardless of if the candidate trailing can catch up.

no lol
If it is proven the fraud was limited and Harris was not involved then it should be certified. A special election is a waste of money in that scenario and also a middle finger to the other Harris voters and the plurality of voters who wanted Harris.

There is nothing funny about this. You are implying that it's okay to commit fraud if it doesn't effect the result or if the candidate didn't know about it (which seems hard to believe). If voters had their ballots forged or destroyed then they should be given the opportunity to vote in a fair election.

do you seriously believe that in all 7 districts in California that flipped that there wasn't a single misplaced or tampered ballot using harvesting?
If we find one does that mean there should be a new election.

[lfromnj]

How many votes is required in the House to expel a member? A simple majority or 2/3rds?

im pretty sure expulsion is 2/3 but refusing to seat is just a simple majority.

What's the difference between being expelled and being unable to take your seat?

expulsion would be in the middle of ones term and unable to take your seat is simply you were never a member to start with or your new term does not exist.

[lfromnj]

So in theory could democrats just refuse to seat every republican in the house just cuz?

and yeah the senate could retaliate. And I consider myself  an indie who dislikes Trump but if the dems did this I will vote straight R in 2020 including Trump and a large portion of the country probably would

[lfromnj]

So in theory could democrats just refuse to seat every republican in the house just cuz?

and yeah the senate could retaliate. And I consider myself  an indie who dislikes Trump but if the dems did this I will vote straight R in 2020.

> Implying that either party would ever do that.

yeah exactly some lines are way too far for either party to break due to both the moral implications and the political consequences would be broad.

[lfromnj]

Man, some people on RRH are not taking this well at all.

https://twitter.com/RRHElections/status/1068894581377384448

The true nuclear takes come from HoneyBee and Krazen's comments on the website:

HoneyBee:

"Threaten not to seat Carper for admitting to beat his wife:

Elections decide seats, not “PR battles” Mark Harris is the elected member of NC-09 and deserves to be seated as such"

"Ah yes, because if we surrender this election, the Dems will bow down and accept every voter fraud claim ever made in the future.

This “strategy” of bowing down and giving the Dems what they want while the Dems never do so to us deserves to be left in the ashes of history with the pre-Trump GOP."

Krazen:

"BS.

I don’t recall Al Franken or Christine Gregoire surrendering. Go eff yourself is an appropriate response given the history."

most of RRH is taking it reasonably well like Boehner and even Izengabe but those two hacks Krazen and Honeybee just keep spamming muh constitution and MUH GREGOIRE/Franken. Overall they agree by now there is fraud but also did the fraud affect the election.

[lfromnj]

Man, some people on RRH are not taking this well at all.

https://twitter.com/RRHElections/status/1068894581377384448

The true nuclear takes come from HoneyBee and Krazen's comments on the website:

HoneyBee:

"Threaten not to seat Carper for admitting to beat his wife:

Elections decide seats, not “PR battles” Mark Harris is the elected member of NC-09 and deserves to be seated as such"

"Ah yes, because if we surrender this election, the Dems will bow down and accept every voter fraud claim ever made in the future.

This “strategy” of bowing down and giving the Dems what they want while the Dems never do so to us deserves to be left in the ashes of history with the pre-Trump GOP."

Krazen:

"BS.

I don’t recall Al Franken or Christine Gregoire surrendering. Go eff yourself is an appropriate response given the history."

LMAO. RRH truly is pathetic. They've also cried like babies about Maine's RCV and California's ballot counting.

the maine thing was just pathethic but this time its just two hacks who hate the opposing party with a passion. Like the rest of the comments are quite reasonable and even telling those two to stfu.

[lfromnj]

For all of those saying Harris should be certified because he would've won with or without fraud (from the NYT)

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Now across the district the average was 23% not returned while 3400 weren't returned in those two counties and I think the number was something like 60% among native americans. The nyt needs to report those percentage difference as not returned ballots are relatively common but that high a percentage is not normal.

[lfromnj]

For all of those saying Harris should be certified because he would've won with or without fraud (from the NYT)

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Now across the district the average was 23% not returned while 3400 weren't returned in those two counties and I think the number was something like 60% among native americans. The nyt needs to report those percentage difference as not returned ballots are relatively common but that high a percentage is not normal.

I think the New York Times reporting serves to counter the notion we have much certainty about how many votes are "in play" one way or another. There were simply too many opportunities to disrupt the chain of voting in ways that leave different impacts on the totals (filling in votes for candidates vs. throwing away ballots) that it's a fool's game to believe you know with any precision what the votes should be.

Anyway the best article was 538's IMO they summed it up using reporting from other sources and then panned out the stats.

[lfromnj]

It's been reported from knowledgeable sources in NC that if the NCSBE calls a new election, it will be a general election with the same candidates (Harris, McCready, and the Libertarian).

What if Harris goes to jail?

He won't go to jail yet lol. That will take a few months. If indicted he is forced to run

[lfromnj]

https://twitter.com/ElizLanders/status/1070075334836531203

Richard Burr jumps on the "redo the election" bandwagon.

Shame, I expected better from him.

Can we temp ban bagel from this board for clear concern trolling. When the ing republican senator says he trusts the board but bagel calls it stealing it's clear that bagel is concern trolling

[lfromnj]

https://twitter.com/ElizLanders/status/1070075334836531203

Richard Burr jumps on the "redo the election" bandwagon.

Shame, I expected better from him.

Can we temp ban bagel from this board for clear concern trolling. When the ing republican senator says he trusts the board but bagel calls it stealing it's clear that bagel is concern trolling

Do you know what concern trolling is.

Literally any time someone disagrees with the hive mind here the brainless rabble calls for a ban it’s like the French Revolution in Internet forum Shape.

I do know but I am getting sick of bagel screaming its stealing an election after Richard Burr said there should be a full on investigation. Its clear he is concern trolling. You can read this thread and see I was one of the most open minded people here.

[lfromnj]

Called it:

https://twitter.com/marceelias/status/1070102416828325896

Can’t Cooper just refuse to sign it until the new non-summer majority is seated?

when is the new non super maj seated?
He has 10 days otherwise its effectively a law.

[lfromnj]

Called it:

https://twitter.com/marceelias/status/1070102416828325896

Can’t Cooper just refuse to sign it until the new non-summer majority is seated?

when is the new non super maj seated?
He has 10 days otherwise its effectively a law.

According to this, January 1.
https://ballotpedia.org/Swearing-in_dates_of_state_legislators_elected_on_November_6,_2018

Yeah Cooper can't do much here RIP but the court will strike it down anyway and he should be good by then.

[lfromnj]

ok im done
https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1070111027268866051

At this point just finish the math and place a new election.
Honestly actually certify it and refuse to seat harris and restart the election with new primaries as bob pittenger was cheated out of his seat.

[lfromnj]

I haven’t commented on any of this yet but my gosh. This is some messed up stuff.

Yeah at first I was suspicious but the bipartisan unanimous ruling convinced me to pay attention. It's crazy and I'm now pretty sure Harris knew about the fraud

[lfromnj]

Anyway its incredible how one man is doing all the investigative reporting for us


Thanks a lot to Joe Bruno. Bigger companies should take a look at him.

[lfromnj]

Joe Bruno is on MSNBC right now

https://twitter.com/JoeBrunoWSOC9/status/1070462687983882241

FF
He should be hired by one the big media groups
He has done incredible work with all his investigative reporting for this event all by himself.

[lfromnj]

Hey jimrtex... it appears that among the rubes thinking that there is GOP fraud sits... the head of the North Carolina GOP.

https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1070707900576882688

bagel
The head of the NC GOP is clearly a democratic hack and plant.
Bagel is seriously starting to piss me of on this subject .

[lfromnj]

https://twitter.com/allymutnick/status/1070723409905098752

NRCC Chair open to special election.

bagel:
NRCC chair is clearly a democrat hack who wants to ruin his own party
Also bagel on Steve king
The NRCC chair is also a d hack who hates his own party policies.