CNN: Russia plotting false flag event in Ukraine

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2) Yanukovich did not practice neutrality; he was a puppet of Moscow. The people of Ukraine did not like that, so they overthrew him.

It's not true. Not only Yanukovich was democratically elected, per polls at the time of the insurrection he was pretty popular and would easily go to the 2nd round where he would have a real chance to be re-elected. Ukraine was then an almost evenly divided country. But you know it already. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2014_Ukrainian_presidential_election

Insurrections are bad, you know.

Shut up! to say that is a sin in this forum!

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The Central Intelligence Agency of Ukraine also reported this information. In any case, I think Putin has already decided to invade and it will happen.

Do really think this is going to happen and affect the whole territory of Ukraine?

If so, the US and EU should cripple Russia with extremely tough sanctions and take as many Ukrainians as possible. Anyway, I hope you're going to be alright.

No, I don't think it will affect the whole territory of Ukraine. Ukraine will resist and it will not be a quick capture, it will be a long bloody war. I would say that Russia will not go further than the Left Bank Ukraine with some exceptions.

I would expect something like this:

Brown - already invaded
Red - will be invaded
Green - parts of the oblasts will be invaded
Blue - won't be invaded

Anyway, thank you for your support

A lot of the marked provinces are minority Russian, are you sure Putin would go for them?

Crimea and the 2 eastern "states" that have been taken are logical choices, because a good majority identify as Russian, so it's basically just "extending" Russia.

Taking a majority Ukranian province, however, is not as easy, since resistance and resentment is guaranteed.

Russia can occupy all these regions without any problems (blue regions). These regions are mostly pro-Russian

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Um, you do understand that supporting friendly relations with another country, and speaking the language of that country, is not the same as being okay with an invasion, right? Otherwise, the Irish should welcome the British army with open arms, and the same with the Austrians and Germany, Canadians and the US, and so on.

Lol, all these regions had massive protests against the coup and have always voted for the pro-Russian candidate

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"Massive" lol, few tens of thousands in a handful of them at most. We got more than that in our Brexit demos here so guess France has the right to invade and conquer the UK. Maybe China should take over Siberia the next time there are anti-government protests in Khabarovsk.

Regions have massively voted for the pro-Russian candidate throughout history, speak Russian and protest against an illegitimate coup d'etat = They love the Ukrainian government!

I honestly can't believe all the bullsh**t on this forum to not accept that at least 30% of "Ukrainians" would willingly join Russia.

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Lol, all these regions had massive protests against the coup and have always voted for the pro-Russian candidate

Maybe you should look at more recent elections. In the 2019 parliamentary election the pro-Russia party was the biggest only in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Ukrainian_parliamentary_election

That was a very special election as Zelensky won the entire pro-Russian "anyone but Poroshenko" vote

Literally since Ukraine became independent, the pro-Russian candidate has won elections in those regions with the sole exception of 2019

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Even the state pollster (very dubious reliability) shows that 21% of Ukrainians would prefer Russia to NATO.

“In the face of Russian military aggression, Ukrainians remain supportive of both NATO and EU membership,” said Stephen Nix, Director of IRI’s Eurasia Division. “The accession into a strong community of democracies will strengthen economic opportunities and bolster defenses against foreign threats.”

When asked which international economic union they would join if Ukraine could only join one, 58% of Ukrainians chose the EU. Only 21% support joining a Customs Union with Russia, Belarus, and Kazakhstan. If a referendum were held on joining NATO, 54% would vote to join the military alliance.

https://www.iri.org/resource/iri-ukraine-poll-shows-support-eunato-membership-concerns-over-economy-and-vaccines-covid

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LOL so voting Zelensky = pro-Russian annexation now? Favouring a customs union with a country means you support it invading?  

Dude, is it so hard for you to accept that 30% of Ukrainians simply agree to join Russia?

At this point, even if there is an invasion and there is no "insurgency" in the occupied regions, you would refuse to accept it. It is useless to argue with you. According to my calculations and if we are lucky, very soon we will know who is right and who is wrong, I just hope you accept it.

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Dude, is it so hard for you to accept that 30% of Ukrainians simply agree to join Russia?

So you've retreated to just making up numbers now lmao.

At this point, even if there is an invasion and there is no "insurgency" in the occupied regions, you would refuse to accept it. It is useless to argue with you. According to my calculations and if we are lucky, very soon we will know who is right and who is wrong, I just hope you accept it.

I hope no country invades and subjugates the territory of a neighbour whose people have shown no desire to be conquered by a foreign army.

Blah blah blah, we'll see