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« on: September 05, 2007, 10:55:52 AM »

Tsongas wins easily. Very Democratic district and just across the state line from where I grew up.

It is one of the least Democratic districts in Massachusetts.  Not that it amounts to the district being a Republican bastion of anything, of course.
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« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2007, 12:10:48 PM »

Who wins this race? Certainly not the people of that district.

If Tsongas votes anything like her husband did, I'd be thrilled.
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« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2007, 12:12:49 PM »

It is one of the least Democratic districts in Massachusetts.  Not that it amounts to the district being a Republican bastion of anything, of course.

For nationwide standards, it's very Democratic. I was in Salisbury/Seabrook, NH this past weekend and saw signs everywhere for Donoghue and Tsongas.

Won't folks in New Hampshire be sorry to hear that their votes don't count?
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« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2007, 05:55:09 PM »

My prediction -

MA-6
59% (D) Tsongas
38% (R) Ogonowski

John Kerry carried this district 57%-41% in 2004, and I can't see how Ogonowski will do any better than George W. Bush - he doesn't actually seem like a bad Republican candidate, however, given the political weather at the moment and the fact that he is running in Massachusetts make it impossible for him to compete. 

The Republican Party in Massachusetts isn't likely to be giving Ogonowski any support, because I have seen little evidence that the Republican Party in Massachusetts exists in any shape and form that is capable of helping candidates.
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« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2007, 09:29:26 AM »
« Edited: September 07, 2007, 09:40:35 AM by Mr. Moderate »

My prediction -

MA-6
59% (D) Tsongas
38% (R) Ogonowski

John Kerry carried this district 57%-41% in 2004, and I can't see how Ogonowski will do any better than George W. Bush - he doesn't actually seem like a bad Republican candidate, however, given the political weather at the moment and the fact that he is running in Massachusetts make it impossible for him to compete. 

The Republican Party in Massachusetts isn't likely to be giving Ogonowski any support, because I have seen little evidence that the Republican Party in Massachusetts exists in any shape and form that is capable of helping candidates.

What areas are the few Republicans in the state legislature from?

I believe it's the south shore.

Check or Hold Walter/Mr. Moderate?

There are a small spattering everywhere, mostly in the suburbs/exurbs around Springfield, Worcester, and Boston.  By percentage, the GOP holds the most seats in Plymouth/Hampden Counties (at 25%); they narrowly lost a pair of open (Dem held) seats in Plymouth in 2006 that they would have picked up in a less unfavorable environment.  Four years ago, the GOP held the most seats in Cape Cod, at 50% (they're now down to 17%—one in six—after dropping two consecutive open seat races there.)  Here's a list by county.

STATE HOUSE (19 of 160)
Barnstable (Cape Cod): 1 of 6
Berkshire (West): 0 of 4
Bristol (South): 3 of 14
Essex (North Shore): 1 of 18
Hampden (Springfield): 3 of 12
Middlesex ("Metrowest"): 3 of 37
Norfolk (South): 1 of 15
Plymouth (South Shore): 3 of 12
Suffolk (Boston): 0 of 19
Worcester: 4 of 18

Only the smallest handful of those seats are "safe" in open seat situations.  Almost all are safe so long as the incumbent seeks re-election—incumbents seldom lose in Massachusetts, Republican or Democrat.  Virtually all GOP losses of the last decade have been through losing open seats.  [Complicating matters for the GOP is the fact that the average GOP State Rep retires after only a handful of years; the average Democrat stays in office for a much longer period of time.]  The last Republican pickup was in 2002 on Cape Cod—Jeff Perry, now the lone Republican State Rep., beat an incumbent following redistricting.

In 2006, the GOP lost a seat in Metrowest (Sue Pope, first Republican to lose re-election since 1992), and lost an open seat in Barnstable (a former very gay and unstable roommate of mine lost an open seat race to a lesbian in a district including Provincetown).

STATE SENATE (5 of 40)
North Shore: 2 (Tarr, Tisei)
Springfield: 1 (Mike Knapik)
Metrowest: 1 (Scott Brown)
South Shore: 1 (Rob Hedlund)

The GOP lost two open Senate seats in the past four years: one in Metrowest, and one in the Springfield area.  None of the five would be safe in open seat situations; indeed, Democrats already hold the most Republican State Senate district in the state (won with >20% in an open seat).  Republicans did, however, pick up the Brown seat in a 2004 Special.

EDIT: Fixed some percentages.
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« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2007, 11:37:00 PM »

Im going to say this right now.  I think this race is going to be a lot closer than people expect.  Democrats are overconfident in victory here and it looks as if the NRCC is running an under the radar campaign to take this seat.  I can say one thing, if Democrats lose this district or come even close to doing so, its over for them.  They will get a beating in 2008 bigger than they got back in 1980 with Jimmy Carter.

That's ridiculous times ten.
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« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2007, 03:57:21 PM »

Im going to say this right now.  I think this race is going to be a lot closer than people expect.  Democrats are overconfident in victory here and it looks as if the NRCC is running an under the radar campaign to take this seat.  I can say one thing, if Democrats lose this district or come even close to doing so, its over for them.  They will get a beating in 2008 bigger than they got back in 1980 with Jimmy Carter.

That's ridiculous times ten.

What part is ridiculous?

The part where Tsongas doesn't win comfortably.  It's not a seat the GOP can win, and even if they were able to win it, it's not a seat the GOP can hold.  Why bother?
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« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2007, 05:17:29 PM »

Im going to say this right now.  I think this race is going to be a lot closer than people expect.  Democrats are overconfident in victory here and it looks as if the NRCC is running an under the radar campaign to take this seat.  I can say one thing, if Democrats lose this district or come even close to doing so, its over for them.  They will get a beating in 2008 bigger than they got back in 1980 with Jimmy Carter.

That's ridiculous times ten.

What part is ridiculous?

The part where Tsongas doesn't win comfortably.  It's not a seat the GOP can win, and even if they were able to win it, it's not a seat the GOP can hold.  Why bother?

I agree with you that they almost certainly would lose the seat in 2008, but the Republicans are doing everything in their power to embarass Democrats in the short term.  Winning this seat would do it easily.

I suppose we can agree that winning this seat would prove embarassing for Democrats, but the last time Republicans had a shot at winning a MA Special Election for Congress was in 2001, and they actually had a good candidate: State Senator Jo Ann Sprague.

She lost by, like, 30 or whatever.  It's Massachusetts.  There's just no real Republican infrastructure to make even an upset like this one theoretically possible.
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« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2007, 11:29:46 PM »

I just saw an Ogonowski bumper sticker today.

I was absolutely stunned that his campaign was organized enough to have ordered bumper stickers.
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