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« on: August 01, 2011, 11:50:56 AM »


You're making an incorrect logical leap here, thinking that the dynamics of the situation would be the same if Romney was president and if Obama was president. If there was a Republican in control of the White House instead of Obama, I can guarantee you that we never would have never had this kind of showdown in the first place.

Saying Romney is in favor of a default is an absolute untruth.
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« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2011, 01:40:27 PM »

I don't know any other reasonable way to interpret this.

The correct way to interpret it, of course: That if Romney was president, he would not accept this deal. You are creating a false choice -- that rejecting A is an endorsement of B, when there are options C, D, E, F, G, H, I, and so on to consider.

He instead says he "supports the [unattainable] Tea Party debt plan in the hopes they will forget about Romneycare".  That's a paraphrase.

If it's a paraphrase, you do not put it in direct quotes.

Which is tantamount to advocating instead- well, not default exactly, but a massive economy-sinking, interest rate-hiking collision with the debt ceiling.

Romney can only speak to what he would do as president -- everything else is meaningless. As president, he would not support this deal, because as president, this is not the deal he would have negotiated. It requires Obama to be president, something that would not be the case if Romney was president instead.


That article specifically says that Romney's spokesman did not address whether or not Romney would have vetoed this deal, thus risking default. In other words, it says that Romney's spokesman refused to indulge the same false choice that you seem to be pushing.
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« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2011, 02:01:03 PM »

Where does Romney talk about what he'd do if he were president? Romney is talking about the deal between Obama and House Republicans that was reached at 11:59, the only way to avoid hitting ceiling in the real world.  He rejects it and there are no options C, D, E, T, C.  If so, what are they?  The position you are describing is Huntsman's, i.e. "I'd have different circumstances if I were president but I'm not so I'd take this deal rather than default"  (Paraphrase marks look very similar to quote marks to the untrained eye.)  Romney's position is not that at all.

You have no idea what Romney's position is, so you're just making one up for him.

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« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2011, 03:25:32 PM »

Romney didn't say "I wouldn't support this deal" he said "I can't support this deal".  Though I can certainly understand given his track record why you'd say Romney stating his position still makes it impossible to know Romney's position.

Romney talks about not supporting this deal in terms of his own plan. Christ. It's like talking to a wall.

"My plan would have produced a budget that was cut, capped and balanced -- not one that opens the door to higher taxes and puts defense cuts on the table," Romney, a former Massachusetts governor, said in a statement released by his campaign. "I personally cannot support this deal."

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2011/07/31/bloomberg1376-LP96UH6JTSEX01-30TVPM79PSKCD3MHNHFBKQN5T7.DTL#ixzz1ToKRu22Z
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« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2011, 03:53:11 PM »

Also btw, why do you oppose cutting government spending but support a guy who advocates a debt plan that includes draconian spending cuts?

I do not support Romney, only accuracy in reporting.
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