Proportional Representation (Class A seats) Act (Debate Open)

[minionofmidas]

Somebody needs to explain in detail how this will make for a better game.

It depends what you consider "a better game" to be. It will provide for fewer (presumably for no) uncontested elections and a less random Senate composition. (But not necessarily for a more active Senate. )

[minionofmidas]

There'll be an amendment tomorrow, fixing the law for filling vacancies at what is court-ordered currently anyhow.

[minionofmidas]

Proportional Representation (Class A seats) Act

1.The provisions of the Proportional Representation Act (F.L. 21-2), as amended by Clauses 1 and 2 of the Proportional Representation (By-Elections) Act (F.L. 25-4), shall also apply to Class A seats.
2. This Act shall not take effect until directed by an Executive Order of the President of Atlasia directing same.


Friendly amendment.

[minionofmidas]

It basically guts the meaning of the regions on a federal level.

Regional government retains all its powers.

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People used to do that a lot when we also had 5 regional seats, 5 district seats and no PR seats at all. Which is why we eventually introduced limits on address changes. With PR, there is no point. Of course, you can still move to a region with likeminded people in it - but it won't affect federal election results anymore.

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Do you? I don't.

Although I half-and-half suspect right now that your comments were aimed at Xahar's proposal over in the other thread - they fit that much better...

[minionofmidas]

You may be right Lewis. I take it this proposal leaves only residents of a region eligible to vote for a class A senator in that region? Is that correct? I thought this was a proposal to nationalize the Class A seats, but insure one from each region was elected.

That was Xahar's proposal (which your words about how this really undermined them sort of fit very well.) This is a proposal to nationalize the Class A seats full stop.
There's an amendment and a bill because we don't want all the technicalities of the PR Act in the Constitutional Text.

[minionofmidas]

You may be right Lewis. I take it this proposal leaves only residents of a region eligible to vote for a class A senator in that region? Is that correct? I thought this was a proposal to nationalize the Class A seats, but insure one from each region was elected.

That was Xahar's proposal (which your words about how this really undermined them sort of fit very well.) This is a proposal to nationalize the Class A seats full stop.
There's an amendment and a bill because we don't want all the technicalities of the PR Act in the Constitutional Text.

Which proposal is one that nationalizes the Class A seats "full stop?" Sorry to be so obtuse. I don't want to nationalize the Class A seats.

Mine. This one. This is a proposal to elect Class A seats by the exact same procedure as Class B seats.

You're free to vote it down. I'll just reintroduce it next session. These kinds of battles can take a while.

[minionofmidas]

We need to put up the language of the sections that you are applying to the Class A seats. I was looking for them right now. So your proposal does gut the regions on a federal level. They have no meaning whatsoever. I get it.

Regional government retains all its powers.

It removes them from the federal election process entirely, yes. Believe me, if you've ever desperately sought somebody to take over a regional Senate seat, you won't think this is a bad idea. When I first moved to the Midwest from the Pacific, I was actually drafted into the region by then Governor, Jas, as its next Senator. When I was recently offered the position of SoFA (when it became obvious that Inks would not be confirmed, before Earl was approached. IIRC I wasn't the first candidate approached though.) I refused because I couldn't think of anybody to bequeathe my Senate seat to. With a heavy heart, might I add.

[minionofmidas]

What regions are comatose at the moment?

Depends how you define comatose I suppose, but when you discount people not interested, people holding other positions, and people whom a clear majority of the region wouldn't want to represent them, the candidate pool is pretty damn shallow in the Mideast, Midwest, and Pacific.

[minionofmidas]

Hey I am from the Pacific. Let's not get personal.

Thanks for helping me work with through this Lewis. I appreciate it. Run for a Class B seat, and you will have my first preference.  Best.

I can't. Who'd take my Class A seat?

What regions are comatose at the moment?

Depends how you define comatose I suppose, but when you discount people not interested, people holding other positions, and people whom a clear majority of the region wouldn't want to represent them, the candidate pool is pretty damn shallow in the Mideast, Midwest, and Pacific.

Yeah!  The Southeast is off the dormant region list

For now.

[minionofmidas]

Nay

[minionofmidas]

There hasn't been any debate in an eternity, so this should go to a final vote. However, as more than 14 days have passed since debate opened, it seems that it now requires a two-thirds cloture vote.

I think I'll introduce an OSPR amendment soon to change that rule... which many PPTs used to ignore anyhow...

But...for now...

The vote is on cloture.
Please vote aye, nay, or abstain.


Aye.

[minionofmidas]

Current vote count:
Aye 5 (Lewis, Al, Bacon King, Sensei, Dwtl)
Nay 0
abstain (voted) 0
abstain (yet to vote) 0 (Culture King, Jas, Meeker, Torie, Verily)

[minionofmidas]

Aye 6
Nay 0
Abstain (did not vote) 3
Absent 1 (Torie)

As the vote is unanimous, there's no 24 hour waiting period.
The motion for cloture has passed.

The vote is on the bill itself.

Please vote aye, nay or abstain.

[minionofmidas]

Meh. I can just as well vote my conscience I suppose.

Aye.

[minionofmidas]

Current vote count:

Aye 3 (Lewis, Verily, Al)
Nay 3 (Dwtl, Sensei, CK)
abstain (voted) 0
abstain (did not vote) 4 (Torie, Meeker, Jas, Bacon King)

This vote expires tomorrow at 10:28am Eastern Time.

[minionofmidas]

7 days having passed, this vote has concluded.

Final vote count:

Aye 4 (Lewis, Verily, Al, Jas)
Nay 4 (Dwtl, Sensei, CK, Torie)
abstain (voted) 0
abstain (did not vote) 2 (Meeker, Bacon King)

Ebowed gets to have his way with this.

[minionofmidas]

The bill is presented to the President for his signature or veto.

[minionofmidas]

Am I confused or at the moment does this bill do absolutley nothing?

At the moment the bill does absolutely nothing.

The Amendment it was linked to is at the top of the legislative queue, though.

[minionofmidas]

Well well well. That was quite the comeback.