Danish Election!

[minionofmidas]

The polls are basically saying that nothing much will change.

Oh, except for EL (who's that?) and the possible death of both the small center-right parties.

[minionofmidas]

The polls are basically saying that nothing much will change.

Oh, except for EL (who's that?) and the possible death of both the small center-right parties.

EL= Enhedslisten (Unity List) - a party originally constructed on the aches of DKP, the Danish communist party and VS, the Left Socialists along with some smaller left wing parties. Today a left wing socialist party

but Martin, if just some 2-3% changes the government might loose their majority with Danish People's Party and force them to govern with the centre. That would be a change to the better, not perfect but better ;-)

Much better.
But that would actually take quite a bit of change...that's 96 seats for the three of them in that poll.

[minionofmidas]

I'm backing Jens, of course.
Good luck with chairing a polling station, I hope to do that myself one day soon.

[minionofmidas]

I'm backing Jens, of course.
Good luck with chairing a polling station, I hope to do that myself one day soon.

Well, thank you. You never know with you German Greens ;-). I'm glad that it's not a German polling station. That first vote, second vote system must take forever to count :-P

Actually, no.
First you divide the ticketsplitting ballots from the other ones.
Then you count those.
Then you count the ticket splitters' party votes.
Then you count the ticket splitters' personal votes.

[minionofmidas]

I'm backing Jens, of course.
Good luck with chairing a polling station, I hope to do that myself one day soon.

Well, thank you. You never know with you German Greens ;-). I'm glad that it's not a German polling station. That first vote, second vote system must take forever to count :-P

Actually, no.
First you divide the ticketsplitting ballots from the other ones.
Then you count those.
Then you count the ticket splitters' party votes.
Then you count the ticket splitters' personal votes.

Sounds reasonable, but imagine having about 13.000 votes that you have to do that with (that is the probable situation at "my" polling station. We just split the votes into the 10+ parties and count those. Usually the process is over around 24-01 (personal votes are counted the next day)

When do your polls close? 13,000 votes in one ballot box sounds unreasonable to me...why are your precincts this big?

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Our new municipal voting system (new in Hessen, long in use in Bavaria and Baden-Württemberg and perhaps elsewhere, I'm not sure) is a discerning voter's paradise and poll worker's hell. It was worst in Frankfurt because we got 93 seats on the city councíl, not 19 or 29 or 35 or 55 or whatever as on district and township councils elsewhere in the state - and every voter had as many votes as there's seats.
Last time around, only the total no of ballots and the partisan breakdown of the unaltered, straight-party votes were counted on election night, and these preliminary results released.
The others were counted by city employees over the next week or so, with help of a computer program. So basically you had two people scrutinizing every ballot (sized over one square meter) and shouting the location of crosses to a third person sitting at the computer.
They could have just as well done that election by computer from start to finish (okay, so the program would have to have been a little more user friendly...I've watched a count of these altered ballots, I've seen how that PC program worked.)

[minionofmidas]

When do your polls close? 13,000 votes in one ballot box sounds unreasonable to me...why are your precincts this big?

We have several ballot boxes ;-). The precincts are even bigger around 30.000 - 60.000 voters with several polling stations. The system is working quite well and with lots of ordnung ;-) Each polling station has several voting table, where you hand over your voting notification (on which the number of you voting table is stated), identify yourself and is handed a ballot to use in one of the voting booths. After casting your vote you put the ballot in one of the ballot boxes.

At www.kmdvalg.dk you can se the sizes of the different precincts ( http://www.kmdvalg.dk/042101003.htm is the place where I will be polling official)

Edit: The page only works with iexplorer, because KMD is a crappy firm

And do they count ballot boxes individually?

[minionofmidas]

LOL! Don't let Gustaf hear you.
What's that downturn in SFP and upswing in RV?

Also, maybe you could arrange your parties light-to-reft next time? Makes it much easier to read, I should think.

[minionofmidas]

A poor Hessian is much delighted.

[minionofmidas]

A poor Hessian is much delighted.

You should be. By the way, do they ever teach you in school about the Danish-Hessian connection or do it drown in the massive amount of German principates (Long live Reuss, the younger line)

Danish-Hessian connection? No, I don't know what you're talking about.
Anyways, I'm from the Imperial Free City of Frankfurt, not from anywhere in the Landgrafschaft / Grand Duchy / Electorate Hessen.

[minionofmidas]

Lewis,

How does it look for Schroeder in the fall election?  I heard the new unemployment figures for Germany today.  It can't be good for the SPD.  From what I've seen over the last year, the CDU/CSU has been on an electoral roll.  Hopefully they will unseat Shroeder and his Red/Green alliance, but maybe that's just the optimistic conservative in me.   

Must be the year before last you're talking about. Nothing's gone right for the CDU for about 9 months or so now.
Anyways election is fall 2006. As for the unemployment figures, that's due to a change in reckoning standards...and people know that.

[minionofmidas]

As for the unemployment figures, that's due to a change in reckoning standards...and people know that.

Unusually for a change in calculating unemployment figures (oh, btw there's a thread on that in the international general politics thingy. You are needed) it's actually added *more* people to the list of unemployed... the complete opposite of what the Tories did over here in the '80's...

It wasn't supposed to turn out that way...it seems the fools who did the math really believed that a slightly stricter means test
a) would catch hold of lots of people
b) wouldn't simply be lied in
Elitist dumbasses...

[minionofmidas]

Ø 3,4% 6
F 7,7% 14    Interesting upswing on the far left.
A 25,8% 46
B 7,7% 14
D 1,2% 0
K 0,9% 0
C 10,0% 18
V 30,6% 55
O 12,1% 22 On the far right too, though...

[minionofmidas]

Actually, I tried that once.

Italy has a very low birth rate...but it's also got one of the lowest immigration rates in Western Europe.

[minionofmidas]

That's without the Faeroer and Greenland seats, right?
Yeah well, all I'll say on the matter of the result is...you have pretty accurate pollsters.

[minionofmidas]

No, they already were in power.

[minionofmidas]

No, they already were in power.

Well, I wouldn't call V and KF far right from Jens' description. DF, on the other hand...

V and KF are depending on DF to support their policies.

That's what I meant, yeah.

[minionofmidas]

What sort of reform?
Election law changes?
Or just changes in local government boundaries? And if so, why should that hurt the RV?