SCOTUS overturns Roe megathread (pg 53 - confirmed)

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

Christian Nationalism wins tonight, the soul of America loses.

We're going to need motivation from pro-choice this Fall, because this is a serious backwards to the health and safety of woman in our country. A certain segment of the country is more concerned with punishing woman than providing them the most available option for an abortion, however they find it troubling.

abortion doesn't improve the health and safety of women.

It certainly doesn't do anything harmful to them.

Putting on my doctor's hat for a moment:  abortions CAN have negative side effects for the mother and future pregnancies.    

Depending on how they're performed, an abortion can cause a weakening of the cervix (increasing the risk of a preterm birth in the future) -- among other side effects.  

But that's purely from an anatomical standpoint and in no way endorses any position on this issue (even though I think...I've been fairly clear on how I feel about all this).    

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

wolf rick coming in here to talk about his Atlasia accomplishments is the sign we all needed to know nothing productive will happen in this thread from here on out

I was gonna say I certainly wasn't expecting Atlasia to appear in the discussion here.  

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

I fully expect most Republican states to pass blanket bans within the next month after the decision goes live. They’ll also likely try fugitive abortion acts and basically bury themselves in the long run.

Also, for extra fun, because no one thought it would actually happen, they tend to be poorly thought out and broadly written.

"Good work, gentlemen.  The President shall be impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors.  We're all clear on what that means right? Right.  Good.  Alrighty, moving on..."

Seriously though, the potential gray area of these legislative orders worries me. 

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

I for one, find it disgusting that it's even possible to "leak" a future SC decision in order to intimidate the court into doing exactly what they want (which is what this is, no doubt). The court's integrity is on the line, not because they might overrule Roe, but if they buckle to social/political pressure in response to this leak.

Has it been established that this was leaked by a pro-choicer, and what the motivations were? Or are you just assuming? It's very easy to see the argument that this was releasing by a supporter of ending Roe v. Wade to make sure those 5 stay in line, because if one of them flips now, everyone will know about it.

Do you really think with the amount of media and activism the left has in their favor that the conservative justices are going to be pressured to stay in place? Barrett and Kavanaugh have been notoriously flaky over the past 2 years, and complained about the court's "image".

If it was a pro-life person who leaked, why would they leak a victory for them potentially two months in advance? It makes much more sense to me that a pro-choicer would've leaked, as a panic mechanism to turn up the heat on the court (and the issue in general) to gain favorability for their side.

Harry just answered you: to keep them all in line. Now it is too late for last-minute compromises or changes, because anything different will be seen as "caving to public pressure."

Bingo. It's not at risk. If a pro-choice clerk did this, it was likely just to "get the news out there" rather than try to change anyone's mind.

Might be a dumb question, but help me out legal-brains: is it "illegal" to release stuff like this? (Draft opinions, that is)

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

If you really, really want to make sure you're inclusive of trans people, why not just say "pregnant people"?  Why do we need to invent an almost deliberately alienating new term for this?

Again, I would just go with "people" in this case, since there's clearly no way that a non-pregnant person could have an abortion, so there's no need to specify that they're pregnant.

I have no idea what the purpose of using "bodies" is, but I'm fairly confident that it isn't more trans-inclusive than "people". "Birthing" is just an awkward term, especially when we're talking about abortion where the main point is that you aren't giving birth.

Can I just say that in a thread of reactionary takes and attacks: that was beautiful, Figueira. 

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

My view on this whole address thing falls somewhere in the middle (shocking, I know).  

Addresses are hard to hide anymore.  And that's not a debate over should be vs. shouldn't be.  Obviously, we then run into the argument over "well if someone tried to leak what was discoverable info anyway, does the intent matter?", but that's beyond my purview.  

I do think that there should be some sort of protection in place to keep people from getting too close to a public servant's private residence, though.  Things are very heated and inflammatory right now.  

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

Goodbye Roe! This should have happened decades ago!

Why? Are you a female? Do you want the government telling you how to manage your body? Truly?

Or, if you are not a female, how come you think you have a right to tell women how to manage their bodies? Would you like the government to tell you how to manage yours? Truly?

Abortion is legalized murder. Why are you pro-murder?

Because without murder, Netflix documentaries would be nothing but amazing cakes and game show scandals. 

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

I don't think we'd be hearing the same excuses if there was a screaming mob outside a liberal justice's house. There'd probably be a lot of "where are blue avatars to condemn this" instead.

I fully support their right to protest, but this is teetering on the edge of stability and can easily get dangerous with just one violent person.

I agree absolutely. But I wish you'd similarly condemn the insurrectionists on January 6.

Uh excuse me? Of course I condemn all violence. When they hell have I ever not?

And yeah guys, I was obviously at "the insurrection". Total Trump fanboy here, which is why I never voted for him. Deranged hacks.

To be fair there were actual people at the capitol who didn't vote .

Cool. I did vote and I've never been to any Trump rally, nontheless his Jan 6th one. In fact I've only attended one presidential rally in my life and that was Scott Walker's announcement in 2015 lol.

Huh, same (as in going to one presidential rally).  I went to a Ted Cruz rally back in 2016.  

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

What I would honestly like to see with respect to abortion policy is this:

Assemble a distinguished panel of obstetricians, neuroscientists, and philosophers studying philosophy of mind and phenomology and task them with assembling a report with their consensus opinion on when human life/consciousness begins.  

We should agree in advance that whatever their decision is will be binding national abortion policy, with abortion always permitted before this point, and prohibited beyond this point with narrow excpetions.

Good luck getting everybody to agree to..well, pretty much anything.  

"Why do THEY get to decide when life begins? I know that life begins at X."

And then we're right back to where we started. 

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

How about taking the traitor discussion to its own thread?  It's derailing this one.

I was gonna ask if anybody remembered where we parked the Roe-mobile. 

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

How about taking the traitor discussion to its own thread?  It's derailing this one.

I was gonna ask if anybody remembered where we parked the Roe-mobile. 

At the Sears & Roebuck, of course.

How about taking the traitor discussion to its own thread?  It's derailing this one.

I was gonna ask if anybody remembered where we parked the Roe-mobile.  

We had a Roe-mobile? I thought we had a Roe-boat.

Roe up, GM and AFE.  This is serious.

Okay! Ending this now 😂

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

Is there a death certificate issued for miscarriages?  (Genuinely curious about this.)

I believe it depends on the state.  

In my native TX, I seem to recall that a fetal death certificate may be requested if the fetus was at least 350g or at least twenty weeks old. 

In PA, a fetal death certificate is only issued if the fetus is at or beyond 16 weeks of age.  A recent piece of legislature was put forth in the State House that would require a death certificate for any fetal loss (by abortion or natural causes).  

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

https://twitter.com/MacFarlaneNews/status/1541046784713170944

I'm more intrigued by the 8% of Dems and 10% of indies who are LESS likely to vote. 

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

There are polls asking opinions of American institutions where something like 3% of people say they’ve never heard of “the police.” Don’t think too much about the outliers.

And yet in the same poll, 8% have heard of "Sting". 

(Seriously though, I agree).