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Penn_Quaker_Girl
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« on: December 13, 2019, 07:16:52 AM »
« edited: December 13, 2019, 07:21:25 AM by Penn_Quaker_Girl »

With all due respect, Scarlett, but didn't you say you would vote for Trump (or Klobuchar) if the election was held today? Why the concern if you don't believe that the Democrats can win no matter who they nominate?

In that context, this feels more like a pre-emptive "nothing you can do about it, lefties" post.  


And sorry, Cory Booker, Texas may be closer than 2016 and there's a definite trend there, but it's just not going to flip in 2020.
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Penn_Quaker_Girl
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2019, 07:40:12 AM »

With all due respect, Scarlett, but didn't you say you would vote for Trump (or Klobuchar) if the election was held today? Why the concern if you don't believe that the Democrats can win no matter who they nominate?

In that context, this feels more like a pre-emptive "nothing you can do about it, lefties" post.  


And sorry, Cory Booker, Texas may be closer than 2016 and there's a definite trend there, but it's just not going to flip in 2020.

Correct. I will be voting for Trump if Klobuchar is not the nominee. I'm not voting for Trump because I like him but I don't have a choice compared to what is being offered.

My concern is the "noise" from both far left and far right. In 2018, a message was sent to democrats that if they put rational people in the ballot like Elissa Slotkin, Kendra Horn, Abigail Spanberger, Elaine Luria, Cindy Axne then voters will vote for it. Instead the democrats think we want AOC, Ilhan Omar and Bernie Sanders.

The country has serious economic/social problems. The jobs aren't coming back to many communities but the lack of hope and trust is extremely worrying and democrats. I'm probably a John Kasich kind of republican. 

But the nation doesn't have a completely uniform political landscape.  An AOC works in New York City.  But a Kendra Horn may have been viewed as TOO conservative. 

I personally like that AOC is a young-WOC (not much older than myself) in Congress.  But her policies are just much too liberal for me.  Ditto for Bernie, though I'd gladly shake his hand bc he just seems like a super pleasant guy.  Haven't quite made up my mind on Omar, yet.  I think there are times when she just needs to stop talking. 

I view myself in the Lisa Murkowski mould of a Republican, though some of her environmental policies have disappointed me.  I think it would be a mistake for the Democrats to nominate a Warren or a Sanders.  My vote would be for Biden.  There will never ever be a scenario where I''ll vote for Trump.  But a full-bore surge to the left isn't the answer for 2020.  Not yet, anyway. 


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