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leecannon
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« on: January 12, 2021, 03:23:13 PM »

No, and in my opinion they would make sense if, for instance, you have a region that forms a clear CoI, and in the middle of that region is a city which is large enough to have its own district.

This is done in the Missouri State Senate. District 30 (Springfield) is fully surrounded by District 20 (Christian County and the rest of Greene County).

A historical example is that Nevada and Arizona both had a nested district back when they had only 2 districts, Las Vegas surrounded by the rest of the state, and Maricopa County surrounded by the rest of the state, respectively. They obviously made sense in the context of those states, where a large proportion of the population lives in a geographically small area.

You can still fairly easily and sensibly make a Las Vegas surrounding district 
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leecannon
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2021, 12:14:29 AM »


Nonsense. It's not incredibly common, but there are definitely scenarios where embedded districts can be the most fair outcome. Jacksonville is a good example.

It's not the case in Jacksonville, nor anywhere else. A donut is not a community of interest.
it can be.  The suburbs of a city can absoletely be a COI.

Not by any...seriously defined CoI metric. Suburbs share a COI with the city itself, barring extreme circumstances.

Historic examples;
Las Vegas vs. Not Las Vegas (1990s)
Maricopa vs. Not Maricopa (1950s)
Denver vs. Center/Northeast Colorado (1920s - 1960s)
Jacksonville vs. Suburbs (1960s)
Pittsburgh vs. Allegheny county (1870s) *Possibly the lines are hard to tell


All of these are very valid encirclement imo. Especially in the case if you can make a county vs. rest of the county type deal
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leecannon
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2021, 11:40:49 AM »

Glad you admit you have no argument except "bad" and "good".

You could always try reading my other posts, lol.

The communities in southern Nevada are entirely dependent on Las Vegas and contain all the travel routes from California and Arizona into Las Vegas. There is no reason to group these areas with Reno instead of Las Vegas. The idea that because Primm is in the middle of nowhere it should be grouped with rural areas is peak "barely passed demography 101".

What do you think of the Denver district that existed for about half of the 1900s?
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