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« on: June 06, 2009, 06:42:59 AM »

The left will win big in France, probably bigger than 2004. However, this article conveniently ignores other left-wing parties and focuses on the large centre-left socialdem parties to get its (flawed) point across. The PS is doing poorly because they're hypocrites, they're stupid 'moderate' heroes (as the quote shows), and their leader has less charisma than my computer.

The PSOE is polling extremely well for a governing party in a country with 17% unemployment. However, that also has a lot to do with the PP being a Franquist party and Spanish politics being so polarized between left and right nowadays.

The PS is doing poorly in Wallonia only because voters realize that the party belongs in jail, not Parliament.
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« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2009, 06:52:36 AM »

Hashemite's right, they're only focusing on the mainstream center-left parties.

Doing so get's the stupid author's flawed point across!
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« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2009, 01:35:13 PM »

The PSOE is polling extremely well for a governing party in a country with 17% unemployment. However, that also has a lot to do with the PP being a Franquist party and Spanish politics being so polarized between left and right nowadays.
The PP is hardly Franquist. They've been movingly increasingly to the center under Rajoy's inept leadership. Look at the Alternativa Española for a true Franquist party.

The hyperbole didn't work it seems.

Anyways, Rajoy moving the party to the centre? Either you have a very perverted definition of centre, or you haven't been following Spanish politics well. Rajoy is a member of the Aznar conservative wing, Ruiz-Gallardón is a centrist. If anything, Rajoy has added a nationalist element to the PP with the "Spanishness" thing.
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« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2009, 07:08:51 AM »

The left-right spectrum is crap, anyhow.
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« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2009, 12:24:05 PM »


Not in that regard. In a political context not related to any country.
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« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2009, 08:18:13 PM »

As I've been saying, Europe is a great place these days.  Wink

Yeah, the BNP have just won 2 MEP seats. Wonderful place.

Sometimes I think there should be a age limit on this place.

And 3 Hungarian Nazis.

So, 5 Nazis. And I'm not using the word Nazi liberally and stupidly. Jobbik has its own army and marches around in 1930s fascist Hungarian attire.

However, the Greenies have over 50 seats now in Europe, a slightly positive note. And the Socialists have suffered a trouncing in many places.
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« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2009, 07:26:38 AM »

Just because PS and Labour are competing for the title of suckiest major party in Europe doesn't mean that the Left is fading.  PD in Italy didn't do that terribly, the rest of the French left fared pretty well (look at the Greens!), SPD had an bad election due to the turnout but the German Greens did pretty well, etc.

Undeniably, European social democrats did badly. France, UK, Germany, Spain, Portugal, even their Czech result is deceiving for them (though Paroubek is an idiot), Wallonia (even if Belgian people are stupid enough to still place the crooks in front). Greenies, on the other hand.
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