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« Reply #25 on: November 20, 2011, 03:49:02 PM »

Is the Amaiur victory related to the success of Bildu?

You bet. They're one and the same.

This sadly all proves that nobody on here reads my blog though!
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« Reply #26 on: November 20, 2011, 04:03:08 PM »

Euskadi, 91% reporting

AMAIUR   254.944   23,77%   6                  
EAJ-PNV   292.032   27,22%   5
PSE-EE (PSOE)   234.322   21,84%   4
PP   192.377   17,93%   3   
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« Reply #27 on: November 20, 2011, 04:31:58 PM »

No, Euskadi is clean as well. They remain the best region in the country, as always.
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« Reply #28 on: November 20, 2011, 05:27:54 PM »

El Mundo's editor is ridiculous. GAAAH TEH SEPRATISTS TOOK TEH SEATS TEH ETA!!!!1 NATIONAL UNITY!!111
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« Reply #29 on: November 20, 2011, 05:37:53 PM »

Euskadi, full results

AMAIUR   284.528   24,12%   6                  
EAJ-PNV   323.517   27,42%   5
PSE-EE (PSOE)   254.105   21,54%   4
PP   210.000   17,80%   3   

Wonderful!
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« Reply #30 on: November 20, 2011, 07:13:43 PM »

Whoa, pretty sweet to have Uxue Barkos keep her seat!
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« Reply #31 on: November 21, 2011, 11:59:13 AM »

Why is that part of the south so socialist?

If you people read my guide or parts of it, you would all know!

(Scroll down to the entry on Andalusia in my guide for the answer. Simply put, it's the land of latifundios, agricultural labourers and utter poverty).
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« Reply #32 on: November 21, 2011, 12:03:03 PM »

In the past, for evil caciques. Nowadays, on modernized large farms.
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« Reply #33 on: November 21, 2011, 12:34:30 PM »

I actually have asked this question once in the past (and gotten no answer)... why is the city of Cordoba relatively right-wing, voting for PP in 2008? Sevilla is totally different.

There must be other local factors, but I believe it is wealthier than Sevilla. At any rate, most Andalusian cities are to the right of the countryside.
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« Reply #34 on: November 21, 2011, 12:42:40 PM »


Geroa Bai.
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« Reply #35 on: November 21, 2011, 05:19:29 PM »

CiU doesn't want independence, similar to how the Lliga didn't want independence either. It basically wants sovereignty-without-the-problems-of-sovereignty and might use self-determinationist rhetoric from time to time for political purposes, but they would probably never hold a direct referendum on independence. If they held a referendum it would be on something similar to what Ibarretxe had proposed in 2005, though without the racial undertones and probably less radical. What it wants now is the ability to raise taxes on its own through a concierto economico, like the Basques and Navarrese have. Something which they can dream for as long as the PP is in power, imo.

As for the PP's growth in Catalonia, 2010 and May 2011 results showed that growth came from traditionally Socialist working-class hinterlands around Barcelona (such as Badalona, which now has a PP mayor), where their campaigns on immigration and criminality worked out for them. I haven't checked yesterday's results, but I suspect the patterns were similar.

Yeah, in my Andalusian cursory analysis I had forgotten to mention the agrarian subsidy, opponents of which say is a clientelistic government handout (by the PSOE) to its voters, and to an extent it is quite that and in practice it is rife with corruption and all types of abuses, but in recent years its effect has been much diminished as qualifications for it are much tougher (Aznar's government changed it, iirc) and today they're running out of money. Tradition mixed in with traditional poverty and alienation is becoming a more important reason in the PSOE's vote in Andalusia. But it is noteworthy that long-term demographic changes in Andalusia are unfavourable to the left with the perhaps-halted tourism/coastal old people who go there to die phenomenon plus the new types of agriculture in Almeria.

PSOE still topped the poll on the island of Gomera, fwiw. Cheesy

By a surprisingly tiny margin. I wonder what kind of impact the weird scandal of the PSOE's local monarch and ex-Senator Casimiro Curbelo had on the results there (ftr, Curbelo is the old local boss of the island, the long-time boss of the local council and long-time senator; who was pretty useless nationally but was a real cacique in terms of local politics. He was arrested or something in relation to a weird thing about insulting a police officer in some sauna in Madrid).
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« Reply #36 on: November 23, 2011, 05:48:13 PM »

AFAIK Reigonalism doesn't all work against the PP, if anything the big ones, the CiU and CC are economically to the right of them.

I don't exactly catch your train of thought, but if I guess where you're going with that, then, I'll say it again, there is little overlap in terms of electorates between the PP and right-regionalists (except the CC, which is not a classical regionalist party) because economic considerations are not the main issues at stake between the two. But I don't understand what you said.

I also wouldn't classify the CC as economically right-wing, given that the party's old platform plank - to get the government to send more money to the islands - is not exactly the epitome of economic liberalism.
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« Reply #37 on: December 01, 2011, 09:38:04 AM »
« Edited: December 01, 2011, 09:48:43 AM by VICTORY 10.06.11 »

All this proves that nobody reads my blog...

They're both very left-wing? IU descends from the more "liberal" strain of western European communism and is consequently very much allied with the green movement. And ICV is of course on the left side of the green spectrum (more like the German Greens than the Canadian ones).

I don't know in which alternate reality the IU is from the "liberal" stream of communism, considering the Eurocommunists were actually expelled from the PCE in 1982. Also, do understand that the 'green' movement in Spain is a total joke, and the IU doesn't give a rat's ass about the greens who are useless and only ally with IU because IU wants to and gives them a few spots on the various lists.

ICV may have embraced the green stuff recently and all, but ICV isn't an actual green party. It was founded as some of sort of coalition of the remnants of the local commies and various other groups. The green stuff was added for show, more or less, though it has embraced the green stuff and all. ICV and IU's alliance is more for tactical reasons on both sides rather than any imaginary proximity between the "greens" and IU.

Why did ERC run in Valencia and in the Baleares ? And EAC in Madrid ? Huh

All this, again, is on my blog which nobody reads... but Catalan nationalists of the radical ERC style have an irredentist vision of Catalonia (Paisos Catalans) which includes Valencia and the Balearics, both of which speak a local variant of Catalan. If you're curious, my Guide's entry on the Valencian Community explains in far more detail the contentious dispute between pan-Catalanists and blaverists in Valencia.

FAC seems to have run in Madrid in a failed attempt to get far-right votes.
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« Reply #38 on: December 01, 2011, 07:32:22 PM »

I thought IC was, for all practical purposes, IU's name in Catalunya.
Even in the 70s, they were the PSUC in Catalunya and the PCE elsewhere.


Originally it was, but around in 98 or so ICV took more independence, became opposed to Julio Anguita's leadership and took a more centralized structure at the expense of component parties; the pro-Anguita and more hardline commie faction founded EUiA which is a separate party and IU's official referent in Catalunya. EUiA ran alone in 1999 and 2000 and got at max 2%.
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