Gay Marraige will be legal in 50 years

[Beet]

If homosexuality is a health disorder, why would gay marriage "introduce" it to the next generation? Gays can't have children, and all gay children are born to heterosexual couples. You don't get schiziophrenia just by looking at other people with schiziophrenia, or that schiziophrenia is "curable".

Also, most people with diseases tend to want to be cured. You never hear any people trying to get sick and wanting to stay sick for its own sake. Not the case here.

[Beet]

Of course I agree that the government generally shouldn't condone deviant sexual liasions. Essentially everyone is against all those things you listed. The only problem with gay marriage is that, according to some studies, the brains of gays are actually very different from those of heterosexuals of the same gender. While a polygamist can adapt to a monogamous relationship and still be sexually attracted to his/her partner, same with incestual relationships (a person wanting to engage in such a relationship is still free to engage in relationships with people whom he or she is sexually attracted to), and minors may grow up. However, if you are biologically attracted to the same gender and cannot change that, it would be a violation of your rights to say you cannot act upon your sexual orientation.

Imagine living in a world where 95% of the population is gay and you cannot marry a woman, only other men. This is the perspective of gays. Of course, there is scientific ambiguity here. There is not a 100% correlation between biological twins and homosexuality. Therefore, the issue needs to be studied further. It is probably partially biological and partially environmental. But the fact that societies that strongly condemned homosexuality, socieites spanning thousands of years and diverse cultures, have had homosexuals, does indicate that it is substantially biological.

The other question about whether homosexuality is voluntary is, why would a heterosexual person choose to change his preference and be gay? It just doesn't make sense.

[Beet]

The Harmer study may not be conclusive, and right now the scientific research simply is not conclusive. However, there have been more studies that just the Harmer study indicating similarities between homosexuals. And there have been twin studies of twins that were actually separated at birth and raised in completely different areas. As I said, I do not think it is entirely genetic, nor do I think it is entirely environmental. Your theory about imbalanced family life may have something to do with it.

To distinguish from alcohol, which is broadly condemned because it deprives the individual of his or her free will, and the individual is powerless to free himself from it, homosexuality is voluntary and not always harmful for the actor. Of course, this does not proscribe the state's ability to legislate it as immoral.

But homosexuality carries with it much less moral harm than the other forms of sexual deviance which are broadly condemned. Sexual liason with a minor may be taking advantage of the minor, who at a young age we assume is not fully mature in his or her decisions. Polygamy changes the structure of the family and blows apart the exclusive, loving relationship of the married couple. Incest similarly destroys or at least hugely impacts the the family within which the incest is occuring. Homosexual marriage is a loving, mutually exclusive, sexual relationship between two consenting adults, for the purpose of establishing a family. The only difference is in the nature of the sexual attraction.

Furthermore, to distinguish from all the above cases, sexual attraction is the most difficult to change. The others are all bans that we have on types of heterosexual relationships. The heterosexual is still free to engage in relationships satisfying his or her fundamental sexual desire. To ban gay marriage would be to ban gays from satisfying their fundamental desire.

You say that gays can be "cured". How can this be done? How do you teach somebody to change their sexual desire?

[Beet]

Bump.

[Beet]

Are we there yet?