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Beet
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« on: January 09, 2008, 09:46:51 PM »

How can something appeal to your lifestyle? So if you like to drink coffee in the morning you are more likely to support a candidate that drinks coffee in the morning?

SoS,
where are the 'lies' in the first two links on your signature? It is true that Obama voted present on some abortion related bills in the Illinois Senate. It is also true that he supports lifting (not scrapping) the Social Security cap, just as claimed in the mailer. Those are legitimate policy issues that voters have the right to know about.
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Beet
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« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2008, 10:11:24 PM »

How can something appeal to your lifestyle? So if you like to drink coffee in the morning you are more likely to support a candidate that drinks coffee in the morning?

SoS,
where are the 'lies' in the first two links on your signature? It is true that Obama voted present on some abortion related bills in the Illinois Senate. It is also true that he supports lifting (not scrapping) the Social Security cap, just as claimed in the mailer. Those are legitimate policy issues that voters have the right to know about.
Its all in the wording, like "Obama wants to raise taxes on the middle class by $1,000,000,000", which is bull. The Clinton mailer about abortion had the exact same twist, painting him as a right wing crazy. Its Clintonian politics at its finest, and exactly what we're combatting.

You said "lies". I asked you where the lie was and now you say it's all about the wording. Surprise, surprise, campaign mailers have a bias.
I think Obama should just come back and say about the tax hike "Look, it's only for people making over $102,000 a year." If that works, good for him. If it doesn't work, then it's a good thing he's been challenged on it now and won't be flailing about in the general election to respond to the charge for the first time. Personally, I wouldn't commit to supporting such a drastic change in fiscal policy, especially since the forecasts on Social Security are still mixed.
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Beet
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« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2008, 10:34:14 PM »

How can something appeal to your lifestyle? So if you like to drink coffee in the morning you are more likely to support a candidate that drinks coffee in the morning?

SoS,
where are the 'lies' in the first two links on your signature? It is true that Obama voted present on some abortion related bills in the Illinois Senate. It is also true that he supports lifting (not scrapping) the Social Security cap, just as claimed in the mailer. Those are legitimate policy issues that voters have the right to know about.
Its all in the wording, like "Obama wants to raise taxes on the middle class by $1,000,000,000", which is bull. The Clinton mailer about abortion had the exact same twist, painting him as a right wing crazy. Its Clintonian politics at its finest, and exactly what we're combatting.

You said "lies". I asked you where the lie was and now you say it's all about the wording. Surprise, surprise, campaign mailers have a bias.
I think Obama should just come back and say about the tax hike "Look, it's only for people making over $102,000 a year." If that works, good for him. If it doesn't work, then it's a good thing he's been challenged on it now and won't be flailing about in the general election to respond to the charge for the first time. Personally, I wouldn't commit to supporting such a drastic change in fiscal policy, especially since the forecasts on Social Security are still mixed.
To say that people making over $102,000 are part of the middle class is a lie. Theres no way around that.

Yes, there is. In some places $102,000 is not really that exceptional, and families of those incomes would say they were middle class, with reason.

Also, the mailer only uses the phrase 'middle class' with when they were describing Hillary's position. 'A plan with a trillion-dollar tax increase on America's hard working families.' Biased? Yes. Hard-hitting, even negative? Sure. Don't tell me the other campaigns haven't done that too. Edwards in particular has run a very negative campaign on the Democratic side.

You said 'lie'. There was no lie. There was just something you (subjectively) disagreed with and even misread.

Claiming that a non-lie was a lie can also be a lie, you know.
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