Hillary in 2012

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If she loses in 2008 (either in the primaries or the Pres. race), she will become a Ted Kennedy figure for the party - a perennial Senator on the party fringes with a big name but who very few people take seriously.

I'm afraid that's the best outcome we could hope for.

You should have voted for Kerry to prevent a Hillary Presidency.

In a way I did, since my state's electoral votes went to Kerry.  A friend of mine actually made that argument -- he said that even though he preferred Bush and couldn't stand Kerry, he half preferred that Kerry won because he could live with a Kerry presidency, but he could never live with a Hillary presidency.

What's so bad about Hillary? Kerry has been much more vocal in criticizing Bush than Hillary has, and there is no evidence that Hillary is that much more liberal than Kerry. Of course, I don't think either of them are quite as liberal as they're made out to be.

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Kerry isn't a moderate.  He's a typical party hack type, with about 30 other senators.

Either way, he blows.

God I disagree with both of you. Clinton has a liberal voting record, as does Kerry. I just think they would/have govern/ed closer to the center as executives then their reputations (or perhaps voting records) suggest.

Kerry is not a good candidate and not a spectacular campaigner, but he would have made a decent President.