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Beet
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« on: November 19, 2018, 04:05:33 PM »

Identity politics is not the notion that there is racism and sexism in America that needs to be addressed. Rather, it's the notion that certain people are on "my team" simply because of how they were born, rather than because of what they do. The critique of identity politics is absolutely spot on. Regardless of whether it comes from the left or the right, it's the same thing, and it needs to be stood up to and opposed.
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« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2018, 04:30:02 PM »

Best case scenario- ditch the Electoral College
Next best- play the game to the best of your ability
Worst- virtue signal successfully as kids are locked up in cages
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« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2018, 06:02:12 PM »

The Democrats should not abandon racial justice issues. That's a straw man... and there's nothing wrong with what Warren, Gillibrand, and Sanders are quoted by in this article. But... anyone who actually pays attention to social justice warriors knows they go farther than that. They'll say stuff like you can't be racist against white people (false), that if white people want to be allies to POC they need to leave their own minds and expectation of respect at the door, that all white people are racist, that no white person they've ever met can be trusted with good advice for them... it's racism. Sure politicians aren't endorsing these views, but it's in the underbelly.
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« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2018, 04:23:53 PM »

This doesn't prove discrimination. It proves that there are income differences, which could be a consequence of (a combination of) all sorts of factors.

Those income differences are an objective product of racism.

Jim Crow ended a little over 50 years ago. That is not nearly enough time to reverse the centuries of institutional discrimination and segregation the black population in America has faced, and there hasn't been any major effort to implement any forms of reparations or anything else to improve the African-American experience in this country since then. 

I'll be very clear: If you attempt to derail any conversation about race/gender, or write it off as "PC culture" or "identity politics", you are part of the problem.
That's what Hillary told voters. Sure helped her win, right?

Democrats doubling down on the Hillary strategy basically means writing off white working-class voters, which you guys still really need. I don't mind. But Democrats should.

Working-class whites are overrated.

Trump would have lost if Hillary maintained turnout in cities with high black populations, like Flint, Detroit, Milwaukee, and Philadelphia.

She ignored those areas despite their high levels of poverty to campaign and focus on better off areas with similar percentages of black voters like Jackson, Atlanta and Charleston. Her gains among Black and Latino votes in Georgia, North Carolina and Florida were outdone by Trump's gains in whites. She was running to expand the map like it was 2020 without securing black turnout in important states where her winning wasn't guaranteed.

Economics is a racial issue. People in black neighborhoods forgotten by Democrats don't even have clean water and Democrats expect them to turn out to vote? Poor white people turn to racism and nationalism under duress: there's no history of black people doing this given the anti-black history of America. Poor black Americans don't participate in the dramatics of it when they know their lives won't change in any essential way regardless of who is president. They often see civic culture for the insulting lie it is.

If she maintained black turnout in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, she would have won.

Wayne County & Genesee County bled over 90,000 voters for Democrats from 2012 to 2016 alone, all in a state decided by 11,000 votes.

So your goal is an ultra-narrow victory of a few tens of thousands of votes, based on identity politics and pitting the black working class against the white working class? What a nightmare vision of politics. The Democrats adopting this strategy is the road to hell. This is what they tried in the Obama years and it got them a couple of pyrrhic victories followed by Trump. I've seen some of the black neighborhoods you're talking about and these are people who would benefit as much from a broad-based economic program as anyone.
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