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« on: July 30, 2017, 10:21:05 AM »

Russia - the right for nearly 2 decades (and more to come!).

Russia is controlled by the center-left on the Russian political spectrum.

Also, you're conveniently forgetting the Progressive Era (1901-1920).
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« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2017, 03:38:32 PM »

Sweden, Italy, Canada, Austria, Portugal, and Indonesia. New Zealand and Australia may change, as might Germany. I should also point out that calling Putin left wing or right wing is insane.

The ex-KGB agent is obviously center-left. He's allied with Assad, Kim, Xi, all the major left-wing powers, as well as the main anti-American powers like Iran, and the non-aligned powers like India. His main opponents are the right-wing Navalny at home and right-wing Ukrainian nationalists. The only exception is his support for the European and American far-right, but that's just an alliance of convenience to weaken the West. There's a reason why jfern loves him so much.
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« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2017, 11:26:05 PM »

Sweden, Italy, Canada, Austria, Portugal, and Indonesia. New Zealand and Australia may change, as might Germany. I should also point out that calling Putin left wing or right wing is insane.

The ex-KGB agent is obviously center-left. He's allied with Assad, Kim, Xi, all the major left-wing powers, as well as the main anti-American powers like Iran, and the non-aligned powers like India. His main opponents are the right-wing Navalny at home and right-wing Ukrainian nationalists. The only exception is his support for the European and American far-right, but that's just an alliance of convenience to weaken the West. There's a reason why jfern loves him so much.

Putin is broadly nonideological. The only sure thing is that he is a nationalist/militarist intent on extending his nation's influence and power. Personally, I would prefer the Russo-Indian duo to their counterparts in the increasing Sino-Pakistani friendship. I think that's where WWIII is most likely to break out. Iran's two closest allies are Pakistan and Russia. It has cold relations with India and China. I can't see them taking sides. For that reason, I can't really see the war expanding to include Iran, Syria, Turkey, Belarus, the Caucasus, the Balkans, or the two's increasing sphere in Africa and, to a lesser extent, South America.

Of course he's a nationalist; so is everyone (except maybe Trump). That doesn't mean he isn't ideological. Russia has good relations with China and increasingly good relations with Pakistan. For that reason I can't see them intervening in a Indo-Chinese conflict. When WW3 breaks out, the US will either be an instigator or a major player, I fear. I'm not at all confident the current skepticism of militarism in this country will last.
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« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2017, 11:04:56 PM »

Sweden, Italy, Canada, Austria, Portugal, and Indonesia. New Zealand and Australia may change, as might Germany. I should also point out that calling Putin left wing or right wing is insane.

The ex-KGB agent is obviously center-left. He's allied with Assad, Kim, Xi, all the major left-wing powers...

How are Kim and Xi left-wing? I mean, China still has the veneer of Communism that even North Korea replaced with juche, but really, both countries are as right wing as you can get:

- North Korea is an ethno-nationalist xenophobic state that operates on a "military-first" policy. Doesn't sound very left wing to me.
- China is a capitalist society with heavy state involvement (just because it has "state" in it doesn't mean it's left wing) and has a nation-wide nationalistic mindset that can be (grossly oversimplified to) "Make China Great Again." Its heavy state control on the freedom of information also generally goes against left-wing ideals, and then there is rampant discrimination (structural and otherwise) against native and foreign minorities.

Left-wing ideals =/= ideals I agree with. The most left-wing states in history have always restricted information and been very militaristic. Of course China is still communist at some level - most Westerners don't realize you still cannot own private land there, for example- it is "leased" for 70 years. Also, it has gotten more left-wing in the past 10 years.

Also, North Korea has gotten a reputation for being especially ethno-nationalist/xenophobic after a book written by B.R. Myers, but what they don't tell you is that most academics consider the book slanted and speculative. It's in the vein of other popular books that distort expert opinion but are still popular. The reality is North Korea is a faaaaar left state.
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