Fake News

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Breitbart and Infowars are great. So was Gawker and the NY Times. Let a hundred flowers bloom, and a hundred schools of thought contend!

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I don't see why Breitbart is so controversial. I've never seen anything on there that's actually untrue. If anything, they are more objective than the Huffington Post, since there are fewer opinion pieces. Do some of the more liberal posters on here want to point out some specific, objectionable content on there? I mean stuff that's beyond the pale, not just stuff with a slant you don't agree with.

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The Right, as I said, has a long history of error prone non-factual journalism. I referred to Iraq, in which a lot of the conservative media relentlessly pushed Bush's war as grounded in fact, when it wasn't.

I just have to reply to this one more point. It wasn't just Fox that backed Bush's war. It was most of the liberal media as well. the NYT, WaPo, NBC, CNN, the BBC etc. This should not be particularly surprising. Neo-Conservatism is not a particularly right wing philosophy. Back in the day it was supported by liberal media outlets, as I've mentioned and center left politicians both in the US (e.g. Hillary Clinton) and elsewhere (e.g. Tony Blair).

To this day these two center left liberal politicians continue to back, and indeed be the leading supporters of neoConservative policies in places like Syria, Libya, Russia etc. In this election of course the leading opponent of neoCon foreign policy was the candidate of the right and its leading supporter the candidate of the right. Of course its also opposed from the left by the far left but that doesn't make it a right wing policy.

In a way its unsurprising that the GWB's most famous policy should be one of the center left. Both he and his father were NeverTrumpers who hinted at supporting Hillary in the General election. They were both 'moderate' Republicans who occasionally pretended to be conservative for electoral purposes. Of course HW's father Prescott Bush was a 'moderate' Rockerfeller Republican and one of those Republican lawmakers who led the charge to stab joe Mccarthy in the back so perhaps the apple doesn't fall far from the trees.

Hold on, neoconservatism was definitely a right-wing strategy. The NeverTrump movement was to the right of Trump on foreign policy, not the left. Yes, the NYT, WaPo, etc. shilled for the war too, but they were acting as right-wing agents then (just as they were this year, with their constant focus on Hillary's e-mail scandals, which dominated he election, and giving Trump massive coverage, although these were less deliberate).

Even now, you see the most hawkish people, way more hawkish than Obama or even Hillary Clinton (who supported the Russia reset, the Iran deal, wanted to open relations with Cuba), are people like Lindsey Graham and John McCain. They will even go against their own party leader to push their hawkish views.

I'm not totally convinced Trump is a dove, either. There's talk today he wants to start a war with North Korea, and he could start one with China. Either or both of those would dwarf Vietnam or Korea, let alone Iraq.