Is edwards the best VP?

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I've been mugged and I'm still a liberal. Is something wrong with me, doc?

They probbly did not  take much

lol

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WVA barely carries any E.C. votes. Five? Ohio is definately more important then Occupied Virginia.

Number of competitive EV's in the ten non-Florida former confederate states: 0

Number of competitive EV's in West Virginia: 5

West Virginia is definitely more important than the non-Florida South.

Unless of course you buy this RNC stuff that Arkansas is going to be competitive. They ARE running ads there.

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Then again, Bush only won Ark. by 5 1/2 points whereas he won VW by nearly 6 1/2. Hmmm, didnt notice this before... interesting. But then again WV has probably lost far more jobs in the past 4 years as a % of the population, and Arkansas may have been distorted b/c Gore was Clinton's VP, like Texas was distorted in '68. You can never tell.

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It doesnt matter. The Confederacy had a right to exist. Slavery would have come to an end within a generation. It would have been worth it to let slavery continue for 15 more years if it meant those 700,000 didnt have to die

If you lived in the Confederacy today, would your schools be integrated?

Yes. South Africa's schools are integrated

I see.  So integration just would have taken decades longer, involved countless deadly riots, police brutality, mass political oppression, and an international economic boycott of the Confederacy.

No, southern segregation wasn't .5% of what South Africa's was

This is, southern segreation within the Union.

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But hey, the South was right; states are allowed to secede. But the Union is allowed to declare war on them and beat them into submission ...

Is a Union a voluntary pact or a required pact? Does the Federal Govt have the right to beat up on a sovereign state for using its legal right to leave?

By signing the Constitution, the states gave up the right to field their own armies.   They Southern states had the right to lobby for their views through the political process they committed to when they signed the Constitution.  There is no exit clause in the document.

Even though Daniel Webster preached secession as a legal right, West Point taught it, and several N.England states almost did!

But when SC went off with nullification, Jackson sent in the troops and Webster supported him

"Bob Hayne's famous debate with Daniel Webster in Jan., 1830, precipitated by the Foot Resolution, covered all the issues of political and economic difference between the South and the North. Hayne upheld the doctrines of states’ rights and nullification, thus provoking Webster’s impassioned defense of a nationalistic interpretation of the Constitution"

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But Lincoln said the states never left in the first place! lol

where in the constitution does it give states the right to secede? I thought this issue was decided at least by 1832, if not earlier. Plus, if a state seceded, it would have had to deprive the federal government of some powers, but federal law is supreme, which was settled at least by Gibbons v Ogden (1824), if not earlier.

*Lincoln carried all the free states and none of the slave states.

*Cotton was hardly picked by martians.

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But Lincoln said the states never left in the first place! lol

where in the constitution does it give states the right to secede?

where does it say they dont have the right to secede?

Well I guess they could secede if they still gave the government power to tax them, enforce the bill of rights, declare war for them, conduct their diplomacy, etc. etc. etc.

StateRights-- come on, the vast majority of Southerners now agree with the federal position here. Without that, Bush would not even be president of the U.S.

* I'm sure there are some liberal college professors teaching that the Patriot Act is unconstitutional, but that doesn't mean that it is.

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After years of brainwashing by the Federal Schooling System. The facts have long since been covered up and white washed so badly no one knows what the heck is the truth and whats fiction. The Knights of the Golden Circle had a lot to do with events in the war. You should read about them they are interesting.

Well I'll concede one thing, you've read more about this than I have. Though that doesn't mean what you've read has necessarily been unbiased or true.

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The third most liberal part. The eight district, northwest of D.C., where all the gov't employees live. Why do I feel like I have to apologize? Gov't employees work all their lives for this country. You may not like us, but you need us.

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Yeah a Mondale voter going Republican. I would like to hear this too.

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Oh okay, I forgot there was more than one organization that had vice presidents.

"I have voted for a female for governor, for mayor, and for vice president.  Have you?  Thought so.  Don't peddle your hate here, mister.  I used to be one of you.  I took off my swastika and became a republican okay."

Kghadial,

What you point out is interesting. That trend actually extends into Southwestern Pennsylvania. Gore lost a lot of counties that went for Dukakis and Clinton. Look at the counties map for Minnesota, Iowa, and Wisconsin, 1988 vs 2000, for example.

Dukakis, while losing 45-53, kept Bush under 60% in all but 4 Western states, while Gore, while keeping Bush to under 48 nationally, was unable to keep Bush under 60% in less than 7 Western states.