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Hammy
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« on: October 27, 2018, 12:58:11 PM »

What is depressing is that so many news events turn into this blame game slug fest, with posters going after each other. This is but the latest example.

I'll agree but also want to go one step further: blaming Trump for everything the alt-right etc does (while his rhetoric may have emboldened them) is utter blindness to the fact that these people and views didn't just start existing because Trump got elected--these people were long present and Trump is nothing but a symptom of the same problem, rather than the cause.
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« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2018, 02:21:59 AM »

Unpopular opinion here, on the political aspects (beyond the obvious motive)--blaming Trump is not going to solve anything here, as much as I don't want to come off as defending him (which I really don't.) While Trump clearly inspired the mail bombs (as they were sent to people he named), this country unfortunately has a deeply ingrained antisemitic culture that has existed long before the Trump cult.

His reaction after was piss poor and shows he clearly doesn't care, but to claim Trump inspired this particular murder spree implies that these sorts of antisemites wouldn't exist otherwise, or wouldn't act otherwise, which is at best naive and at worst ignorant, as the 1990s clearly showed us, and it's highly likely this guy came into these views during that time.

And the constant back and forth blame game here is doing nothing but making it all about you to score cheap political points, which is no different than what Trump does, and pretending this is some new problem and that these killers would otherwise lead peaceful lives, and ultimately takes the responsibility for their long-standing views and actions off their shoulders.
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« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2018, 03:07:21 PM »

... there is no "direct link" to Trump as was claimed.  Some place in the shooter's mind, he linked HIAS+carravan+Tree-of-Life=bad.  At worst, Trump said caravan=bad.

LOL.
JJ can take it to "trump said caravan=bad" (trump's rhetoric described it as very "bad," by the way), but if you take it to it's natural conclusion, somehow he can't make the final connection that this then led to "HIAS and Tree of Life=bad" in the killer's head.

In the shooter's head.  He has to connect the "bad"caravan with HIAS and then somehow tie in Tree of Life congregation.

It is a bit saying North Korea bad and that leading to shooting up a barber shop.

If rhetoric against North Koreans were to implicate Koreans as a whole, and then the shooter targeted a Korean barber shop, then yes, otherwise your analogy is worth less than Steve Bannon tickets.
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