Opinion of the Irish government during WWII

[Tetro Kornbluth]

HP and miserable, worthless cowards. Furthermore their Prime Minister (or whatever word they use for that) actually sent some message of condolene after Hitler's death!

Ireland in WWII = epic fail.

Hmmm.. I believe our navy at the time consisted our precisely five dinghies, two rowing boats (but with only one oar between them) and a rubber duck... which would have been an interesting match for Die Kriegsmarine.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

HP and miserable, worthless cowards. Furthermore their Prime Minister (or whatever word they use for that) actually sent some message of condolene after Hitler's death!

Ireland in WWII = epic fail.

Hmmm.. I believe our navy at the time consisted our precisely five dinghies, two rowing boats (but with only one oar between them) and a rubber duck... which would have been an interesting match for Die Kriegsmarine.

On the plus side, they wouldn't sink as fast as your economy.

j/k

It's funny because it's True.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

HP and miserable, worthless cowards. Furthermore their Prime Minister (or whatever word they use for that) actually sent some message of condolene after Hitler's death!

Ireland in WWII = epic fail.

It was very easy to be brave thousands of kilometers away from Germany, far outside of the range of German bombers or invasion forces and when are you several times bigger than Germany. And yet the US didn't join the allies until they were attacked themselves. And if Hitler hadn't been stupid enough to declare war on them, they probably wouldn't have joined the war against Germany either.
So perhaps you shouldn't speak so boldly.

But was the US full of German collaberators like all that IRA trash?

... Which contained something like a whole 70* members at the time, many of whom were in prison due to that very same Irish State you hate to so much.

* Obviously not exact, but the IRA was not a significant force in Irish politics from the 1930s onwards till their reformation at the end of the 60s.

Many of those IRA collaberators funnily enough considered themselves as communists btw.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

HP and miserable, worthless cowards. Furthermore their Prime Minister (or whatever word they use for that) actually sent some message of condolene after Hitler's death!

Ireland in WWII = epic fail.

It was very easy to be brave thousands of kilometers away from Germany, far outside of the range of German bombers or invasion forces and when are you several times bigger than Germany. And yet the US didn't join the allies until they were attacked themselves. And if Hitler hadn't been stupid enough to declare war on them, they probably wouldn't have joined the war against Germany either.
So perhaps you shouldn't speak so boldly.

But was the US full of German collaberators like all that IRA trash?

... Which contained something like a whole 70* members at the time, many of whom were in prison due to that very same Irish State you hate to so much.

* Obviously not exact, but the IRA was not a significant force in Irish politics from the 1930s onwards till their reformation at the end of the 60s.

Many of those IRA collaberators funnily enough considered themselves as communists btw.

This is one of those times that arguing with BRTD feels like kicking a baby.  He is just so tragically uninformed that I almost feel sorry for him.

But refuting his stupendous blather by posts half in jest is quite amusing, methinks.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

It's a historical fact. Irish PM gave a message of condolences over Hitler's death.

BTW:

Moreover, if the British not have obliterated the Luftwaffe, and knocked the Nazi invasion schedule off several weeks, then the Germans would have steamrolled you guys over pretty quick.

Ooooh, but I thought those British were just evil imperialist thugs who all deserve to get blown up to the last person because they continue to occupy a small part of our glorious nation that my ancestors were forced out of centuries ago and that I've never been to but supposedly have some valid grudge, blah blah blah...OK, impression over.

1) He did so against the advice of almost everyone else in the Irish government.

2) Perhaps you should look at my posts in which I called the IRA a terrorist organization.  But, wait, you did see them, because you commented on them.  So you are just a stupid, petty, little, poser, ignorant, asshole, mother f**ker.  It would be beneath the dignity of anyone to have to take you seriously, and no one does, so I could personally care less what you have to say.

I was not referring to you in that post, or even anyone in particular. Rather just the many whiny Irish-Americans I've heard.

First off, you came out of nowhere with one of my posts, totally unrelated to what was being said, so I am pretty sure that your aim was to try to piss me off, regardless of who you were "parodying".

Second, I don't talk like that.  No one else on the forum talks like that.  So there is no reason to mock us like that.

Third, you are trivializing alot of real human suffering that went on by doing that.  Do you have any idea how bad English rule was in Ireland?  Do you have idea how bad the potato famine was?  It's almost as bad as trivializing the Holocaust.  Regardless of the over-the-top feelings of some people, mocking it is completely uncalled for.

You are a real piece of sh**t, you know that?  You will post your ass off about how great this group of people, or that group of people is, no matter what horrible things they have done, because their "ideals" match up with your own.  But just because a country is Catholic, you don't like those people.  You mock them.  You trivialize their suffering.  And on and on.

You have a real problem.  It's pathological.  I have been informed that it is not limited to the forum.  Seek help.

The British state can't be blamed for potato famine... the recovery, yes, partly due to the dominance of laissez faire ideas... landlordism and the partible inheritance system of land which meant that by 1840s well over 2 million people were living on less than an acre for their living, at least during the winter months - Of course given the nature of west of Ireland soil there was only one crop that could be grown in such a small area and give sufficient (ish) sustinance... and we all know how that turned out. However comparing it to the holocaust is rather over the top, the holocaust was planned.

English Rule in India was far worse (nevermind the other colonies). Yes, Despite everything. And anyone who says "India or etc was barbarous, uncivilized, blahblahblah and so on before the British arrive" probably knows nothing of Irish social history in even the eighteenth century; nevermind the twelfth when the Normans arrived.

*Facepalm at BRTD for being stooopid* (no shock there)

De Valera's signature of the book of condolences at Hitler's death is a highly controversial moment in modern Irish history and still very much a matter of debate here. So I don't see how you can use it to Irish bash again....

[Tetro Kornbluth]

the holocaust was planned.

I suppose that depends what you mean by "planned" (still an active-ish area of debate, of course). But it was deliberate and that's the main thing...

SEMANTICS!!11111

What I meant was of course that the famine was caused mostly by chance or fundamental socioeconomic factors (like the distrubtion of land, we might want to blame Cromwell here perhaps, but he was 180 years dead by this stage) mostly out of the control of the British State (that isn't to say though they don't hold some responsibility for what happened, one thing should be remembered on this topic was how little actual control that the state had even by the 1830s over large parts of the Irish countryside), while the holocaust was the organized attempt to mechanically execute and mass murder large specific groups of people who numbered in the millions simply because they belonged to those specific groups of people. There isn't a comparsion in my view.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

The Irish Potato famine... clearly not planned.  In the old days, meaning when I was 15 or so, I would have thought so, but not anymore.

However, the systematic oppression of the Irish people, which in large part led to the famine and the rather lackadaisical English response was enforced in British society at the time.

I once heard it said, quite bluntly that (and I stress I am quoting here) "The Irish are Europe's ns".  And there is certainly alot of truth to that, as the Irish were treated as a sub-human population in the media, and culture, and governmental institutions.

Yes that is true... but also by Americans as well.



Guess who is who?

Though it became quite popular in the 70s and 80s in a shallow way to identify Irish people as "the blacks of europe" oppressed and downtrodden throughout history ("Most Oppressed People on Earth" or MOPE as Conor Cruise O'Brien put it). That image also implied a sensuality or artistic talent or purity of spirit or you know the rest that "the whites" or "mainstream society OMG!!11" had lost. We like our cliched images, unfortunetly economic success and liberalism killed it off in the 1990s.

As for the famine, British response was at best... contradictory. Let us recall that as millions were starving large shipments of oats and grain were being exported out of Dublin quite regularly without any qualm on behalf of the government at all. (*Insert anti-libertarian comment here*)

However the more general story of the oppression (whatever that is) of the "Irish people" (whoever they are) is something a lot more vague and unclear, partly because history teaches us that the Irish were as good as the English if not better in oppressing the Irish.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

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Don't forget the conscription riots during that war in Irish districts and that Irish workers sometimes lived in conditions worse than those of slaves. However on the counter view it should be pointed out that there are more Irish American Protestants than Irish American Catholics... due in part to 18th century migration and not just the Ulster Scots at that. On average the poorest of the poor did not migrate, they tended to stay and starve to death or to tried to obstruct their landlord or the state or the universe, etc... most migrants tended to be what we now recognize as lower middle class. Many were the second sons and daughters of small town landowners who had nothing left to do in Ireland except perhaps become a priest (if male) or be married off to someone else first son (if female). This at a time where in certain places people didn't get married until well into their 40s (this is the post-famine period I'm talking of here... the period where the Catholic Church really started to have the lever on rural small town Irish society which most people incorrectly belief it had since time memorial).

On another note, even until quite recently in parts of Britain Irish immigrants were seen as the lowest of the low. Now hate is put mainly towards blacks and asians instead. Success!

[Tetro Kornbluth]

Here's something: If I really did want all Irish Catholics killed why I am not making threads about how Lee Harvey Oswald was one of the greatest Freedom Fighters of all time?

Have you been drinking the Toilet Duck again?

Still waiting for your answer on Norway, btw.

I think he has decided to move onto paint.

Seriously, BRTD do you know how much you have been 'owned' (as the kids say) in this thread?