War Guarantees

[Tetro Kornbluth]

Wait a minute.. Are you comparing the Situation of Poland in 1939 to Israel in 2008? Of all the things ever said on the forum, this is possibly the most moronic and ill-informed (excluding anything Richius ever posted)

Also the Evidence that the Holocaust would never have happened without the War (which was always going to happen anyway, see Al's post) is Scanty at best... at best the Nazis would have mass deported all the Jews and other Undesirables.. probably in subhuman conditions where hundreds of thousands nay millions would have died and needless to say the conditions to this new land would not have been very accomodating.

And yet again Hitler was always going to invade the Soviet Union.

Errr.. PBrunsel Churchill didn't make the War Guarantee, that was Chamberlain. Then only after the Nazis had taken over the whole of Czechoslovakia regening on their agreement earlier over the Sudetenland.

Also this is Wrong:

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Umm.. No. Really, Really No. You are confusing the situation with that before world war one. Poland on the other hand was a very strong ally of the French and a military dictatorship.

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Danzig was an independent "free State" under the League of Nations. Though it is true that Poland was not going to give over to Germany. Furthermore the Polish Government (like the French) had a woeful, to say the least, understanding of their military capability vis-a-vis Nazi Germany.

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Well, we agree on this. (Though I think in many ways the British Empire was preferable to the French. But this is no comparsion between two bodies of great virtue). Had Lord Halifax became Prime Minister after Chamberlain resigned in 1940 then maybe we might have seen a settlement (but o/c it would have only been temporary... Remember many conservatives originally saw Hitler as a potential ally against the Commies.)

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As I pointed out earlier Poland was also strongly Anti-communist and they had defeated the Red Army years earlier.

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Not a hope in hell. You completely underestimate how much no Eastern European government least of all the Polish were going to align themselves with the USSR. Remember Romania, Bulgaria and Hungary all fought for the Axis in the War. Only in Yugoslavia was there much co-operation between Soviets and the pre-existing elite but only as far as I know after the occupation and invasion in 1940. (And then only among the traditional Russophile Serbs.)

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Had Britain stayed isolationist (hah!) then surely the Iron Curtain would stretch as far as Portugal.. or Hitler would have won the war.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

Gully Foyle,

I bow to the better man in the debate. Your post makes a great deal more sense then mine had and your argument is far stronger. After reviewing my ramblings I have seen the error of my post and my history. I guess I should read far more about European geopolitics before opining again.

Fair Enough. No matter I myself ramble alot sometimes.

Anyway it is suffice to say that you know more about Herbert Hoover than I do.