why bother caring?

[Tetro Kornbluth]

Am I the only one who actually understands what Tweed is talking about, even if I don't agree with him?

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What do you mean by "Real Thinking"? Is that this kind of post-Adolscent introspection (and in a modern society you have to be at least comfortably off to do that; no time if you work for Walmart.) or something else?

As for Politicians, a Politician can only get elected if he represents the vast swath of public sympathy and viewpoint. This is why to people who look outside "the system" think "they are all the same" - They are the same because the window of public opinion is very narrow and is based on a bunch of cultural niches which are often put into people at a very young age, via parenting and the Education system. Most people accept these views, some - for no apparent reason - don't. You are the latter.

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But what People FEEL is different from person to person; perhaps some people's feeling is limited to McDonald's Drive Thrus, as a limited a life as that is.

I do agree though that there is a strange level of politician worshipping going on here, but perhaps that is to be expected. But you are looking at it wrong, Clinton and McCain are more representative of the Average American than you or Ron Paul (who shows unlike some claims that Money isn't that important in American Politics.) and if they are problems then it just shows a deeper malaise in American society as a whole which produces its senators, representatives and Presidents. Looking at it a Marxist viewpoint where the rulers hoodwink the Masses is totally inadequent. Would Joe Sixpack rule any differently? any better? (And anti-immigration does not show apathy. It shows a strong sense of Reactionarism. Which is something totally different. But would require a totally different post.)

[Tetro Kornbluth]

Seriously.  Not a big deal.  Looking at things objectively, politics really don't matter that much.  George Bush does not affect your life that much.  We like to look at the headlines and think that our government is doing all this and that or whatever.  If you think about it, they don't do much at all.  You can live your whole life not knowing we even have a politically active government.  The changes, or lack there of, are not that drastic and will rarely affect our lives to the point where we really should be concerned.  We are all just obsessed with politics, leading to a reality in which the President and Congress actually matter for some reason.

As someone who most definetly lives inside a "Bourgeois Ghetto" all I can say is "What an apathetic life you lead".

[Tetro Kornbluth]

Seriously.  Not a big deal.  Looking at things objectively, politics really don't matter that much.  George Bush does not affect your life that much.  We like to look at the headlines and think that our government is doing all this and that or whatever.  If you think about it, they don't do much at all.  You can live your whole life not knowing we even have a politically active government.  The changes, or lack there of, are not that drastic and will rarely affect our lives to the point where we really should be concerned.  We are all just obsessed with politics, leading to a reality in which the President and Congress actually matter for some reason.

As someone who most definetly lives inside a "Bourgeois Ghetto" all I can say is "What an apathetic life you lead".

I never said I don't care, I said it's easy not to.

Perhaps that wasn't something I was really addressing to you - just the people in the post you refer to. Coming from a similiar background I actually *agree* with you on one level (the perceptive one) and disagree with you on the other (the 'reality' - though the differences between the favoured Candidates on actual policy is fairly minimal; but since when policy matter in US elections?) but all it does is fill me with a greater desire to rebel against my social background more.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

Very funny, kid. This is satire, right? Right?

And you continue to ignore my basic point. Why?

If only this type of disagreement was satirical...

Actually, your "basic point" didn't exist until you decided to change your post from another sad attack to a legitimate point.  My point was quite clear however: Your accusations are all the same and not based on any facts, just animosity towards those more fortunate than you and are thus moot.  Your "arguements" really mean nothing to me because I can see right through all your posts and know you are only targetting me for my social status.

No; he's targetting you because your original statement defied reality.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

No; he's targetting you because your original statement defied reality.

Really?  No, not at all.  He does this all the time.  And by the way, low-income Americans are more likely to stay home from the polls so rich does not equal apathetic.  Reality says rich people care more and vote more while poor people care less and vote less.  Obviously those who care less don't feel as affected or else they would care more.

All that shows is that the poorer feel more disconnected by the political system. Which should be a shock to... absolutely no-one.

And of course levels of voting how nothing to do with 'apathy'. I'd say the Anarchistic inclined community activist is much less apathetic than silly rich people with trivial lives who live in places like Putnam County, NY and always vote Republican to a tee. As that is what you do in Putnam.