Georgia grand jury investigating Trump returns indictments

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It's wild that we even have to call these "allegations" when a lot of what is being accused is literally out in the open/we've already seen the literal proof of it.

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Wow, not a good look for Trump that his associates are pleading guilty.

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For all the celebration in this thread ("Trump associates are pleading guilty!!!"  "The evidence must have been devestating!!!" "WE're getting real progress" etc) ... I assumed she was now a felon

She actually pleaded guilty to some misdemeanors. Calm down dudes

 This long sprawling criminal trial would cost her a ton of money in legal fees: even Trump is relying on donations from his supporters to cover his legal fees. She's facing all kinds of civil lawsuits from people like Dominion (which she might lose or have to settle); so she needs her money.

This plea was likely more of an effort for her to get this done, save some time & money, and move on. Because believe it or not, many people in the criminal justice system plea guilty just to get it over with, not because of actual guilt

https://twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1715010423282429965

They did not "overcharge", lmao. Powell absolutely knew that she'd be found guilty so she took the plea deal. It's as simple as that.

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They did not "overcharge", lmao. Powell absolutely knew that she'd be found guilty so she took the plea deal. It's as simple as that.

Yes . Powell was absolutely going to be found guilty .. that must be why the GA DA offered Powell low misdemeanor convictions instead of the many felonies with which Powell was charged

Yes... that is literally how it usually goes. What are you not getting here? If anything, this shows that Powell knew she was SOL and was going to get convicted on much more serious crimes

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Oh! You're back.

Nothing good truly lasts forever

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Oop, looks like a deal after all!

https://twitter.com/AnnaBower/status/1715400113013563520

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The dominoes continue to fall! Trump is toast lmao.

https://twitter.com/TamarHallerman/status/1716806926485356644

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CNN: Prosecutors have discussed plea deals with at least 6 more Trump co-defendants

Looking extremely bad for Trump.

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https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/01/22/trump-jan-6-trial-polls-00136688

Just as I predicted. Willis was hoping for an August trial, which was unrealistic. With the accusations against her and no wanting to appear interfering with the election, the Georgia case probably won't go to trial before the election

This is all getting frankly ridiculous.

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Literally all of this over unsubstantiated allegations. It's very clear what's going on here.

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What are the next moves in this case today if/when Willis is okay to stay on the case?

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I think it's ironic that the guy who was questioning (I was listening on the radio like 30 mins ago in the car) messed up names like 4 or 5 times, and no one calls him senile or that he has dementia

He didn't sound that good, but Wade also sounded a bit evasive and a little too cute with some of his answers.

This all sounds like it would land with an ethics complaint for Willis maybe, but her being thrown completely off the case? Don't know about that.

If Willis is thrown off, will another prosecution team be able to pick up where she left off or do they have to compile all of their own information?

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I think it's ironic that the guy who was questioning (I was listening on the radio like 30 mins ago in the car) messed up names like 4 or 5 times, and no one calls him senile or that he has dementia

He didn't sound that good, but Wade also sounded a bit evasive and a little too cute with some of his answers.

This all sounds like it would land with an ethics complaint for Willis maybe, but her being thrown completely off the case? Don't know about that.

If Willis is thrown off, will another prosecution team be able to pick up where she left off or do they have to compile all of their own information?

This divorce lawyer has dropped trying to even go after Willis in favor of demonstrating something much more provable, that Wade was almost certainly hiding income from his ex-wife(or that in trying to cover for Willis he has behaved in a way which amounts to it). Which makes sense, as I believe this is his ex-wife's lawyer.

On the one hand this is taking a really bad turn for Wade personally. On the other, that is partially because Willis seems to have made it through the danger zone and the proceedings have moved on.

Yeah if this is the worst of it, it's hard for me to imagine that Willis is getting kicked off. They seem to be much more preoccupied with Wade.

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There's a distinction here for me - while it's true that Willis's personal life and her decision to include Wade in this case was not exactly great imo, I also think it's worthwhile of her to push back, given that the clear point of Republicans in this entire mess is to try and act like Willis is on trial when she's not. They want to kill any credibility she has to try and vindicate Trump and all the other Republicans. I'm glad she's not standing for it. She's clearly made mistakes, but she's not letting her name be smeared.

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1758231232473633020

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Yeah, as the day progressed, this got messier in a literal sense but in the sense of Willis being knocked off the case, there doesn't seem to be much merit here. The woman who is Willis's ex-friend also was a terrible witness for the defense too.

Unfortunately, the damage has been done in the court of public opinion, but things would be much worse if Willis was actually kicked off though.

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"Attorneys will likely have to return in next few weeks to discuss outstanding issues.

Timeline for disqualification decision not totally clear."

I'm sorry, what? We had to rush this hearing into existence only for minor details to stretch this out for a few more *weeks*? That is borderline insanity. There's no reason whatsoever that this disqualification decision should not be coming within the next week. I hope this means that a decision can be made without those "few weeks of outstanding issues" because otherwise that is insane.

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Anyway, after watching a lot of clips from the last two days, honestly I think most objective observers would argue that these hearings actually *helped* Willis. There were a lot of accusations flying around about her and Wade and while the entire circus helped sully Willis a bit, it also gave her a platform that she wouldn't have had otherwise to dispute them - in turn, actually giving her a lot of credibility since people got to see her defend herself face to face with the accusations. The defense came off way too egregious and flimsy; it was obvious they were wading into too much irrelevant territory, and that this was coming off very disingenuous. Not to mention, they only had one flop witness who was probably the least credible out of the bunch.

I'll admit, before the hearings and just hearing about the news, I was annoyed by Willis, but after seeing all of this play out, it gave me a newfound respect for her (not willing to play the games that the Trump lawyers were trying to play) and gave the entire case a lot more credibility with her behind the helm. Some may argue that she went too far yesterday, but I think in turn given the lack of evidence by the defense, she was rightfully upset by what was happening. It also seems clear there is very obviously a lack of evidence to knock her off the case, and most of these hearings were a joke.

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"Attorneys will likely have to return in next few weeks to discuss outstanding issues.

Timeline for disqualification decision not totally clear."

I'm sorry, what? We had to rush this hearing into existence only for minor details to stretch this out for a few more *weeks*? That is borderline insanity. There's no reason whatsoever that this disqualification decision should not be coming within the next week. I hope this means that a decision can be made without those "few weeks of outstanding issues" because otherwise that is insane.

Confusing dissonance. You think Judge McAfee "rush[ed] this hearing into existence" (even though it was scheduled over 4 *weeks* ago & only 2 *weeks* after Roman's complaint filing), which you say is bad, yet now you're advocating precisely for him to rush his "next few weeks" timeline for outstanding issues "within the next week" as the solution here? Pick one.

You're missing my point - Roman's filing was only 2 weeks ago and yet everything happened within 2 weeks. That's pretty fast in judicial terms, given the amount of effort that goes into these hearings. Not sure what else McAfee needs to see here - if they were able to fit all that pre-hearing preparation into 2-4 weeks, there's no reason why a decision from him needs to take another few weeks. This isn't something that needs a huge 10 page decision on - it's a very clear cut yes or no on disqualification. Taking weeks on end to come to a conclusion on this just gives the Trump team exactly what they want - more delay. McAfee needs to see fit to just get this settled already.

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This entire thing has been a mess for MAGA. Every time they try and have one of these hearings, it seems to backfire on them even further.

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At this point, we're done with all of this extra nonsense on the side, right? Now we just wait for McAfee to make his decision?

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At this point, we're done with all of this extra nonsense on the side, right? Now we just wait for McAfee to make his decision?

Not quite.  There is a hearing tomorrow as to whether McAfee will allow the defense to introduce Wade's cellphone data.  (I expect not, because McAfee seems to be running out of patience with the defense shenanigans.)

Oh FFS. Yeah, this is getting outrageous. It's clear that the MAGA defense is literally just throwing spaghetti at the wall every week just to get another week delay over and over again. At some point, this needs to stop.

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If today is closing arguments, how long for McAfee to decide? A week?

And if so, say he rules by next week that Fani stays on the case. How fast can a trial date get set?

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https://twitter.com/harrylitman/status/1763676692575666296

Yep, and this is the point. We've now wasted all of 2024 so far on this.

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How in the world are we dismissing the charges related to the phone call to Raffensberger?!

https://twitter.com/john12948833/status/1767918803654988261

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However, this doesn't seem like something that would happen if Willis was to be kicked off the case.