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wbrocks67
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« on: November 21, 2022, 03:55:24 PM »

People wanted to believe the trash GOP polls. There was also a lot of "Pennsylvania polls always underestimate the GOP" (even though they were right on in 2018) which made people believe that if Oz was up in any polls, then Fetterman was for sure losing.

People also wanted to believe so badly that the debate made him lose the race.
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wbrocks67
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« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2022, 05:11:43 PM »

Again, it was also extremely telling that all of the GOP pollsters who found Oz up couldn't find him past 48 either.
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« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2022, 09:48:22 AM »

To be fair too, it was mostly either blue avatars or some others who were constantly dooming or frustrating (C...) who were writing Fetterman off or talking about the "Oz surge!!"
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« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2022, 10:22:35 AM »

The polling trends and assumptions about the national environment favored Oz, and coverage of the debate seemed to help him as well.

*polling trends among GOP outfits. Oz only led one nonpartisan poll, and it was Emerson by 1.
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« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2022, 07:56:28 PM »

It's true that low-quality Republican-aligned pollsters flooded the zone here and in many other competitive races - I personally was conflicted on this because I knew those polls were nonsense yet their topline numbers looked very similar to the numbers we and other Democratic pollsters were pulling out in our own surveys (except in Nevada). Simultaneously, many media and university polls did wind up doing a good job but folks were skeptical with good reason because these were the exact outlets that badly missed in recent years.

Making sense of all of this required everybody - myself included - to make a lot of blanket assumptions which is something that personal preferences and partisan leanings easily cloud decision-making about. Very easy to Monday morning quarterback and the "correct" assumptions always become obvious/clear in hindsight but at the time there were good arguments in a lot of directions - all you have to do is look at many users' old pre-election posts to see them. Arguments about future predictions can still be good and well-reasoned even if they don't wind up being "accurate" per se - and I generally think its tacky to speak down on people for thinking something would happen differently than it did after the fact even though they may have had good reason to beforehand.

If, however, their reasoning was impractical/evidence-free/unserious then they should be mercilessly mocked.

You guys were seeing Oz up in PA towards the end?

I mean I think one of the biggest red flags for many of the low quality pollsters was their samples of minorities and young people. IA for example was finding the GOP getting 25-30% of the black vote, 70% of the Other/Hispanic vote, and GOP sometimes winning 18-29/18-34. Even with sample variation, there's no way that the GOP would be getting anywhere close to those numbers. It was a consistent trend too!
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« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2022, 10:25:37 PM »

For me it was all the fake polls that flooded the discourse in that last month. I changed my prediction about a week before the election in both Pennsylvania and Arizona Senate to favor the Republicans.

Conventional wisdom still had Kelly winning. But most people also thought Laxalt would win NV, and while a runoff in GA was considered more likely than not it was expected that Walker would lead the first round.

We also saw this with Hassan's race. And in the governor's races a lot of people believed that Whitmer was now in a dead heat with Dixon.

This wasn't CW though? Most people still thought Warnock would lead in the end with or without a runoff.
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« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2022, 09:39:58 AM »

Pennsylvania is in a weird position, because while I do agree that we are not midwest, I would say if you're from Pittsburgh or Erie or the SW then you probably feel closer to the midwest label. However, for those of us on the East side / Philly area, I've always considered myself to live in the Northeast area of the country, never the midwest.
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