Russia-Ukraine war and related tensions Megathread

[KaiserDave]

This is horrifying, I'm so scared. We must now all support the Ukrainian Army and people in their fight for freedom.

Spare us the pearl clutching. Why are you scared? You're not in Ukraine. This war will not touch the USA. Gas prices will go up a bit, that's all. You're really that upset that the grand American ploy to surround and contain Russia has failed?

Again, it's amazing that on a forum that is so politically aware, the vast majority drink the Kool-Aid and accept the Western "freedom and democracy" propaganda as the inalienable truth.

You are a bad person and will go to hell.

[KaiserDave]

If you support Russia's attack, I do not want to hear from you. Silence.

[KaiserDave]

https://twitter.com/joncoopertweets/status/1496472039108009987

Ethnic minorities? As in Russians?

I'm a bit skeptical of that.

Tatars presumably.

[KaiserDave]

This doesn't even look like a war, just capitulation. But it's early days. I blame Zelensky for massive incompetence.

[KaiserDave]

Is Ukraine fighting back? Do we have reports of actual fighting or just Russian advances?

[KaiserDave]

No. It's total blow out.

There is no real evidence of that (and in fact I saw at least one report of a Russian plane being shot down).

All that is happened so far is pretty much missile launches and some bombing for the most part. That is not something that you defend against. Any resistance will be done for the most part by the Ukranian army on the ground, and that will take more time to come to fruition because they will not all immediately be in contact with the Russian army.

Can you send the report

[KaiserDave]

No. It's total blow out.

There is no real evidence of that (and in fact I saw at least one report of a Russian plane being shot down).

Ok. I haven't seen anything.

All that is happened so far is pretty much missile launches and some bombing for the most part. That is not something that you defend against. Any resistance will be done for the most part by the Ukranian army on the ground, and that will take more time to come to fruition because they will not all immediately be in contact with the Russian army.

Well, yes. But so far Ukraine hasn't done much. Of what I seen. And nobody knows what's happening it seems.

If nobody knows what's happening don't post definitive statements.

[KaiserDave]

Mr. TheReckoning, kindly shut up. Nobody cares what you have to say.

[KaiserDave]

Everyone ignore TheReckoning, he is an idiot.

[KaiserDave]

Ze spoke and said: no panic, I've spoken to Biden, stay home, the military will take care of this.

Link?

[KaiserDave]

Any information on Zelensky's whereabouts?

[KaiserDave]

I have been extremely critical of Zelensky, but he has impressed me a great deal in the last 24 hours. Even if I would preferred Tymoshenko or Poroshenko.

We are coming Father Volodymyr!

[KaiserDave]

I have been extremely critical of Zelensky, but he has impressed me a great deal in the last 24 hours. Even if I would preferred Tymoshenko or Poroshenko.

We are coming Father Volodymyr!

Except we're not.

The Ukrainian people one would hope, are.

[KaiserDave]

It looks like Ukraine is fighting back

[KaiserDave]

Question
1. Can we now say the amphibious assault on Odessa was Russian disinformation?
2. Was there a even a VDV attack on Kyiv, if so, was it in fact repelled?

[KaiserDave]

Seems like Ukraine is folding insanely quickly? What even is the plan on the Ukranian side? I understand a war would almost certainly be lost long term but I don't think anyone expected Ukraine to fold this fast?

The situation is dire but I don’t think Ukraine is in fact folding very fast I think there’s been a lot of disinformation on that subject

[KaiserDave]

https://twitter.com/avindman/status/1496828413935562757?s=21

[KaiserDave]

Legit impressed with Zelensky, I can see the appeal and why he got elected

[KaiserDave]

Repeating "Kabul Kabul Kabul" is Russian propaganda. There is no reason to believe the collapse of the Ukrainian state is imminent.

[KaiserDave]

Legit impressed with Zelensky, I can see the appeal and why he got elected

He has been a f#cking idiot. This invasion has been staring his country in the face for 3 months and his military preparedness was nowhere near acceptable.

No I completely agree and I have been saying this for months, but now that the invasion has started I think he has upped his game.

[KaiserDave]

Repeating "Kabul Kabul Kabul" is Russian propaganda. There is no reason to believe the collapse of the Ukrainian state is imminent.

Not sure, Russia is a much different thing than Taliban. I hope you're right and I'm wrong, but I'd be surprised, if a week from now Zelensky is still in Ukraine and its prez. I actually expect him to flee into exile in the coming days, if not hours. Not to mention the possibility he'll be murdered. As much as I hate to say it.

Ukraine is almost certainly going to lose, but that is very different than what transpired in Afghanistan.

[KaiserDave]

Legit impressed with Zelensky, I can see the appeal and why he got elected

He has been a f#cking idiot. This invasion has been staring his country in the face for 3 months and his military preparedness was nowhere near acceptable.

No I completely agree and I have been saying this for months, but now that the invasion has started I think he has upped his game.

Oh, so now that the invasion that has been telegraphed for 3 months has started, he's going to start preparing for war and deploying his military in defensive positions? Wouldn't that have been smart to do sometime in the last 3 months.

Take everything with grains of salt. But here's what I've read:

-simultaneous amphibious landing ops in Mariupol (between Crimea and Russian mainland from Sea of Azov) and Odessa (west of Crimea). Uncontested crossings at Crimea and Sumy. Possibly contested near Kirovo. Troops moving on Kharkiv. Russian paratroopers near Kiev are doing an operation to take control of the military airport Gostomel. Ground forces coming from Belarus, Crimea, and Russia. An Israeli newspaper an hour ago said the airport had fallen, but I don't see other news sources saying that.

Below is a battle map that's designed to be conservative. Appears the Ukrainian defenses north of Crimea have fallen.



https://mobile.twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1496854817767145478

Here is my first #UkraineUnderAttack map, based on - very conservative - fighting and troop movement geolocations as well as Ukrainian army reports. It looks grim.

A Julian Ropcke on Twitter with a Ukrainian flag next to his user name.

There is no landing in Odessa.

[KaiserDave]

There will be more than enough Ukrainian insurgents.

[KaiserDave]

What’s the status of Kyiv airport combat?

[KaiserDave]

Every time I see a deranged Forumlurker post I am confused but I see the avatar and expect something from Andriy but it's always more Forumlurker crap.