UK General Discussion: 2019. Blackadder goes Brexit.

[DaWN]

Why in God's name do the Lib Dems want an election that'll probably produce a comfortable Tory majority before the current, relatively inoffensive deal can be passed? Are they of the belief that they'll sweep to victory and BRING DOWN BREXIT instead?

lmao

Anyway, there are two clear reasons I think:

1) Political party has decided there is an opportunity it will take to advance its own prospects. Might one suggest that this is not as shocking a development as some seem to think

2) It is not the Lib Dem's responsibility to bend their actions and policies around what Corbyn wants. Maybe if he wasn't such a total disaster the Tories wouldn't be heading for a majority. It's not in the Lib Dems' interests to refuse to take an electoral opportunity because it isn't an optimal time for a completely different party.

On a personal level, if Labour and their supporters have been trying to put people off the Lib Dems by their attacks over the past few days, then if I'm indicative of anything (and I'm probably not) it has had completely the opposite effect. "The Lib Dems have the audacity to not do exactly what Corbyn wants them to and do everything they do in Labour's interests not their own. How dare they?!?" The arrogance and entitlement of it sickens me and strengthens my resolve to vote against the pathetic shadow of the once great Labour party.

[DaWN]

Anyway, there are two clear reasons I think:

1) Political party has decided there is an opportunity it will take to advance its own prospects. Might one suggest that this is not as shocking a development as some seem to think

2) It is not the Lib Dem's responsibility to bend their actions and policies around what Corbyn wants. Maybe if he wasn't such a total disaster the Tories wouldn't be heading for a majority. It's not in the Lib Dems' interests to refuse to take an electoral opportunity because it isn't an optimal time for a completely different party.

Okay, so you're admitting the Lib Dems are motivated by increasing their own electoral prospects rather than actually stopping or even mitigating Brexit. Gotcha. (And, no, I'm not under the impression that Labour is any better about this.)

Well, I could argue that the Lib Dems think they can win more MPs in an election and a Parliament with more Remain supporting MPs is a Parliament that can be used to stop or mitigate Brexit. And I would to an extent, but in general, no, I'm not under any illusions that this is anything except party political. And who cares? Every party, in every democratic country in the world, in every circumstance does the thing that will benefit them the most electorally. It's just a fact of life in politics.

[DaWN]

Will the Lib Dems get 100 seats or will they get a little bit above Clegg's 2010 seat count?

I'd be very surprised (and elated) if they got more than Clegg did in 2010

[DaWN]

Looks like LAB will back early elections.  The optics of having to go into an election while being against the elections finally broke them.

What a complete and utter waste of time this entire charade was then. It's like Corbyn only makes decisions these days that he knows will annoy me personally.

[DaWN]

The Lib Dems have actually been fairly stable for the last two weeks or so at 15% or a few points south of that - I think the Labour increase might be more due to undecideds and possible a few soft Tories swinging their way. Whether that will be enough for 2017-redux who's to say. Mostly this time I think the Lib Dems do have a higher floor than last time though because of Brexit, and it looks like they might have reached it. 'Might' definitely being the operative word there.

EDIT: Just realised this isn't the election thread lol. Will quote this post over there.