MI-PPP: Biden +7

[Use Your Illusion]

Looks good to me. A lot less undecideds than 2016 and people seem much more solid in their choices right now.

Of course, people won't be happy unless Biden has a 15% lead here come November. And even that would be discouraging because only Trump & Republicans benefit from outrageous polling errors

Well sh**t.... considering the polls were wrong by like no less than +5 for Clinton AND the MoE for MN, WI, MI and PA and then followed up by completely screwing the pooch in polling FL both in 2018 where Gillum/Nelson both consistently led by at least that margin and STILL freaking lost.... It's less giving Trump and Republicans that much leeway and more like I DO NOT trust the polling. It's more believable that the polling agencies are just going back to the same areas they've been draining from since 2008 that produces high numbers for Democrats than that like 1 million people in the rust belt just suddenly broke for Trump at the last possible second. Seriously? How do you poll MN at Clinton +10 (which is consistent with Obama years) and yet she wins by 1.5? That's an 8.5 difference in the most liberal state in the union not called MA. And if Biden polls that number and only wins by like +2 my point will be vindicated and that'll also mean Biden got crushed. If people hated Clinton THAT much, good polling would not have reflected such high margins. I just think the polling misses the boat.



Yeah I'm guilty of 2016 PTSD but unfortunately I'm also stuck with Ron ing DeSantis as my governor who is all but actively killing people with his ignorance because he could suck up to Trump better than Adam Putnam could.




Believe me.... I'm giving anything to be wrong here and to look like an absolute moron on election night and if Biden wins I can get drunk off my ass singing "nah nah nah nah hey hey hey goodbye" loud enough to wake animals and make small children cry

[Use Your Illusion]

Neither of you are wrong about anything you said. We can point to the undecided vote of 2016 and what happened a few days leading up to the election. It still doesn't add up that Trump shattered turnout even in Democratic areas. Either millions (plural) of basically threw a Hail Mary vote for Trump at the very last second (which I find impossible given how despicable he is and how fanatic his following is) or I just can't trust the polling and it's a me problem. It's more believable to me as a person living in 2020 that the polls could still be off as far as 5% AND the MoE adding up to +7 and +8 point swings. And it is particularly believable to me that Trump is such a ing lunatic that he would say "I won this state if you don't add the mail-in vote! You stop counting NOW! Look at it! Scoreboard! Trump-1 Loser Biden-0! I don't care if 214,657 mail in votes are there! It is fraud! LAW AND ORDER!" and have them destroyed. I know this is illegal but we are living in Trump's America where sh**t like this is regular now. I wish I was kidding


I know I sound like a Looney Tune. I know I sound like a conspiracy theorist. I know full and well I need electroshock therapy and to get slapped with a cold fish. But I'm also actuely aware of America's long history of election fruad. See: Bush vs Gore See: JFK vs Nixon See: "Blocks of 5" See: Compromise of 1876 See: alleged 2004 voter fraud in OH that would've lost Bush the election. I wouldn't be this worried if I didn't have precedent to do so.


Needless to say, I'm as disenfranchised as an American can get right now and my support for Biden is already paper-thin. I'm not gonna vote for the guy because he's "Not Trump" but I'll vote for him if he puts an absolute stud of VP on the ticket and that means not pandering for "Muh strong, confident, P O W E R F U L black woman" when not a single of them are qualified to hold the post of VP. Someone like Sherrod Brown or Bob Casey is where Biden needs to go. Common sense demands a moderate Democratic ticket for 2020. If I get anything else I'm either voting for Jo Jorgenson or closing my eyes and biting my tongue voting for Biden because I cannot deal with Trump's stupidity any longer.