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« on: August 11, 2011, 11:43:22 AM »
« edited: August 11, 2011, 11:52:21 AM by Snowguy716 »

You're welcome, America.

It's not mentioned in the article at all, but Minnesota is #2 in the nation for giving away money to other states.  The total over the last 20 years was 199% of the state's 2009 GDP.  Only Delaware beat us, at 206% of GDP.  In a distant 3rd was New Jersey at 150% of GDP.

It is one of the greatest ironies that those with both hands dipped in the federal money pot are the same ones who bitch incessantly about taxes and out of control spending.

You really wanna go that route?  MN will gladly keep all of that surplus we dole out to everybody else.  It would be an incredibly enormous economic boom, overnight.

It must be our super low taxes and non-existant environmental regulations and right to work status!  Oh wait.........

It's also interesting to point out that Minnesota's current unemployment rate is 6.7%, well below the national average.  The only state larger than MN with a lower rate is Virginia.  We know why that is, and why that's going to change. 

Unlike other states that either have oil or have lost so much of their working age populations over the decades that there isn't anyone to not work (the plains states)... we have a low unemployment rate because of private sector job creation.  Relatively speaking, we're doing much better than Texas. 
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« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2011, 12:08:36 PM »
« Edited: August 11, 2011, 12:10:14 PM by Snowguy716 »

It's not mentioned in the article at all, but Minnesota is #2 in the nation for giving away money to other states.

Yeah, I was surprised by that. How comes Minnesota is so well-off?
We have a highly diversified economy and a well educated populace.  Minnesota was a very middling state prior to the 1960s.  Several major governmental reforms during the 60s and 70s greatly improved education and infrastructure by making government spending equitable.  This redistributed tax revenues but still allowed local control.. so no matter where you lived in MN, you'd have good police and fire coverage, access to recreation (parks, etc), and good schools.  A lot of rural Minnesota boomed after this after stagnating for decades.  And because incomes and prosperity grew so much, tax rates could remain lower and we didn't have to soak the wealthier communities.

The governors in the past 30 years have also been huge "salesmen" for Minnesota-based products and services.  We've had a lot of lucrative trade deals with foreign companies and governments thanks to the idea of "governor as advocate" started by Rudy Perpich back in the '80s.

We also have little exposure to large banks compared to most places.  Most people here bank with small community banks and credit unions.  While many got caught up in the real estate bubble, meaning we have the 5th highest rate of banks with excessive amounts of bad debt... we also have a ton of banks.... most of which were more conservative in their lending which meant we weathered the financial crisis better.

The only large bank with a big presence in Minnesota is Wells Fargo, which fared much better in the financial crisis than the other big banks (like Bank of America, Chase, etc).

In my town of 30,000 people... Wells Fargo is the only of the large banks.  But I can name off like 12 other banks that only have branches in my town or in the surrounding towns.  
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« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2011, 11:04:11 PM »

It's not mentioned in the article at all, but Minnesota is #2 in the nation for giving away money to other states.

Yeah, I was surprised by that. How comes Minnesota is so well-off?

Its not an apples to apples comparison.  Its not absoluted dollars being compared.  Its a percentage of each states' 2009 GDP.  Trust me New York and California are the ones who should be getting big thank you card from all the Red States they subsidies.  All these Republican governors bragging about balancing their budgets and making fun of California and New York fail to mention that CA and NY welfare payments to Red Stats are the only thing keeping the South from going into a very deep dark fiscal hole.

Take a look at Sara Palin's Alaska.  You really want to put these people in charge of the national budget?

We still sent $513 billion to other states in that time period, the fifth largest absolute amount.  Pretty amazing when you consider we're like 21st in population.

We paid the 13th highest amount in federal taxes... just a tiny bit behind Georgia!  Georgia has what.. 90% more people than Minnesota?

Over the past 20 years, every man, woman, and child in the state (using the average population between 1990 and now) gave up over $100,000 to other states.

No wonder our federal interstate bridges are falling into rivers.

I believe the richer states should subsidize the poorer states because I believe when we all do better, it pays off.  But when you're sucking money out of some states while they clearly have financial needs that aren't being met... well... people start to resent other states.
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