NH Saint anselm: Buttigieg +10

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What the hell are people seeing in him? We deserve to lose if we nominate him

I don't get why people like Buttigieg beyond surface-level reasons. He's a panderer with no principles but can string together sentences nicely. He's basically the successful version of what Beto was. Particularly now, I don't see why he's surging in Iowa, was it the debate or is it just ground game late effect? Everybody campaigns in Iowa and this race has otherwise been very stable so it's quite puzzling to me.

The thing is that Mayor Pete's not just an empty suit, he's the real deal.  Also, while he's had some good debates before (and not a single bad one thus far), he basically took all comers to the woodshed (including Warren, he absolutely wiped the floor with her during their exchanges on healthcare) during the last debate.  He was the clear winner by a country mile and he's got the best temperament, debating skills, the most charisma, understanding of public policy (well, that one may be a tie with Warren), and has been more effective at communicating a brighter vision for the future than anyone else running.  He's also clearly one of the smartest guys in the race; I mean, the man has a truly remarkable grasp of the issues whatever one thinks of him.  

Frankly, for a self-declared ideas candidate, I think Warren has been very dishonest - and I say that as someone who generally really likes her - about healthcare, certainly far more so than Buttigieg.  Every time someone asks her how she's gonna pay for it, she obfuscates and dissembles like a middle schooler caught in a lie.  And she still can't answer Buttigieg's question about why she opposes a Medicare for all who want it approach.  And speaking as someone who'd choose to stay on private insurance despite supporting the creation of a public option available to all Americans, that's a question I want answered.  I think everyone is entitled to basic healthcare at the very least, but I also like my current healthcare just fine, thank you very much, and I don't want some Senator with an ideological axe to grind taking it away from me.

Is Buttigieg being honest about everything?  I'm sure he's not, but he's no worse than anyone except Sanders in that respect (Sanders, it must be said, is at least being significantly more honest about healthcare than Warren).  What folks on Atlas have to remember is that Atlas mainstream is still well to the left of the Democratic primary electorate.  There's still a significant market for a reliably liberal/progressive/whatever candidate who is 1) not a socialist, 2) not in their 70s, and 3) generally comes across as being pretty reasonable.

TL;DR: Buttigieg's like a liberal version of what Reagan did in 1980 with Morning in America and there are many Americans - myself among them - who think that sounds pretty d*** good after the anarchy of the Trump administration.  You may or may not like it and folks supporting other candidates clearly don't like it, but many people consider that a compelling vision for the future and not because we're stupid, but because we have a different assessment of him than you do.  You look at him and see a phony panderer.  Fair enough.  But Buttigieg supporters look at him and see a guy who talks like a preacher because he goes to church every Sunday, if you see what I mean.  Unlike Beto, Mayor Pete is the real deal; the substance is there as much as it is with any other serious candidate in the race.

Are you serious? Trump would beat Pete by 5-6 pts easily in general election. Pete can't turn out the minority vote and he comes across as too smug.

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What the hell are people seeing in him? We deserve to lose if we nominate him

I don't get why people like Buttigieg beyond surface-level reasons. He's a panderer with no principles but can string together sentences nicely. He's basically the successful version of what Beto was. Particularly now, I don't see why he's surging in Iowa, was it the debate or is it just ground game late effect? Everybody campaigns in Iowa and this race has otherwise been very stable so it's quite puzzling to me.

The thing is that Mayor Pete's not just an empty suit, he's the real deal.  Also, while he's had some good debates before (and not a single bad one thus far), he basically took all comers to the woodshed (including Warren, he absolutely wiped the floor with her during their exchanges on healthcare) during the last debate.  He was the clear winner by a country mile and he's got the best temperament, debating skills, the most charisma, understanding of public policy (well, that one may be a tie with Warren), and has been more effective at communicating a brighter vision for the future than anyone else running.  He's also clearly one of the smartest guys in the race; I mean, the man has a truly remarkable grasp of the issues whatever one thinks of him.  

Frankly, for a self-declared ideas candidate, I think Warren has been very dishonest - and I say that as someone who generally really likes her - about healthcare, certainly far more so than Buttigieg.  Every time someone asks her how she's gonna pay for it, she obfuscates and dissembles like a middle schooler caught in a lie.  And she still can't answer Buttigieg's question about why she opposes a Medicare for all who want it approach.  And speaking as someone who'd choose to stay on private insurance despite supporting the creation of a public option available to all Americans, that's a question I want answered.  I think everyone is entitled to basic healthcare at the very least, but I also like my current healthcare just fine, thank you very much, and I don't want some Senator with an ideological axe to grind taking it away from me.

Is Buttigieg being honest about everything?  I'm sure he's not, but he's no worse than anyone except Sanders in that respect (Sanders, it must be said, is at least being significantly more honest about healthcare than Warren).  What folks on Atlas have to remember is that Atlas mainstream is still well to the left of the Democratic primary electorate.  There's still a significant market for a reliably liberal/progressive/whatever candidate who is 1) not a socialist, 2) not in their 70s, and 3) generally comes across as being pretty reasonable.

TL;DR: Buttigieg's like a liberal version of what Reagan did in 1980 with Morning in America and there are many Americans - myself among them - who think that sounds pretty d*** good after the anarchy of the Trump administration.  You may or may not like it and folks supporting other candidates clearly don't like it, but many people consider that a compelling vision for the future and not because we're stupid, but because we have a different assessment of him than you do.  You look at him and see a phony panderer.  Fair enough.  But Buttigieg supporters look at him and see a guy who talks like a preacher because he goes to church every Sunday, if you see what I mean.  Unlike Beto, Mayor Pete is the real deal; the substance is there as much as it is with any other serious candidate in the race.

Are you serious? Trump would beat Pete by 5-6 pts easily in general election. Pete can't turn out the minority vote and he comes across as too smug.

I think I'll pass on GE predictions from a Republican who thinks the Democrats should nominate a Trumpist DINO like Tulsi Gabbard, thanks   Anyway, Pete's the most electable Democrat running by a country mile.

the most charisma

It's funny, cause he literally has absolute zero charisma. Unless you consider having a deep voice as enough to be labelled having charisma? And being young and pretty, do you count that as having charisma as well? And speaking seven languages, is that another one of your criterias?

Charisma is a Greek word which means "gift of grace". In Christian theology, the term means an extraordinary power given by the Holy Spirit. Pete has neither any extraordinary power, nor does he have any gift of grace. He quite literally has next to zero charisma.

Says the guy who supports Andrew Yang

Pete is not the most electable. Biden is their best candidate but he is also very flawed.