Should minors who wish to leave their parents' religion be given legal protections?

[Ferguson97]

Thoughts?

[Ferguson97]

The phrase "legal protection" is doing a lot of work here. What do you mean specifically OP?

I intentionally made it open-ended. If you think they should have protections at all, what should they be?

[Ferguson97]

This is not a serious post.

Why don't you believe it's serious?

[Ferguson97]

Yes, they should. Religious indoctrination is child abuse.

Pls define what you think indoctrination is

indoctrination: the process of teaching someone to accept a set of beliefs uncritically.

religious indoctrination would mean the process of teaching someone to accept a set of religious beliefs uncritically

Forcing your kid to go to church against their wishes would fit this definition.

[Ferguson97]

Yes, they should. Religious indoctrination is child abuse.

Pls define what you think indoctrination is

indoctrination: the process of teaching someone to accept a set of beliefs uncritically.

religious indoctrination would mean the process of teaching someone to accept a set of religious beliefs uncritically

Forcing your kid to go to church against their wishes would fit this definition.

Parents  also force kids to eat vegetables even if they want to eat candy

The difference is that vegetables are good for you.

[Ferguson97]

some nonsense

Not sure why you decided to turn this discussion into a "gay people are pedophiles" rant, but thanks for derailing the conversation.

[Ferguson97]

some nonsense

Not sure why you decided to turn this discussion into a "gay people are pedophiles" rant, but thanks for derailing the conversation.

I never said anything about gay people being pedophiles. It suggests far more about you and your assumptions to come to that conclusion in response to what I said. Perhaps you aren't the ally you pretend to be.

You literally said

Just look at Drag Queen Story Hour being allowed in schools and public libraries, despite their issues related to pedophilia.

Don't play dumb.

"Should we ban religion?" phrased yet another way. No. And it won't ever happen in the United States because even most secular Americans aren't as driven by the issue as Atlas internet warriors.

It sounds like you're admitting that religion wouldn't be able to perpetuate itself if believers didn't brainwash their kids from birth.

No, I'm implying that you cannot have religious liberty if parents are not allowed to raise their children according to their values, not someone else's and definitely not the state's by coercion. Which is usually something libertarians don't like. Pity that I guess.

In what universe is "children should be allowed to leave the church" considered state coercion?

The government deciding what is or what is not good for your kids , what values should be or not be taught to your kid is authoritarianism 101 and frankly communist so please stop 

... what do you think communism is

[Ferguson97]

Are you assuming drag queen = gay?

No? I'm saying that drag queens have a historical connection to the LGBT community. Anyone even remotely familiar with LGBT history would know this.

She's right, though. Numerous "drag queens" at those events have been exposed as sex offenders. And this is not about gay people being pedophiles; this is about drag queens being pedophiles.

There are pedophiles in every walk of life - teachers, coaches, priests, family members. Assuming that all drag queens are pedophiles is what I'm criticizing.

[Ferguson97]

Are you assuming drag queen = gay?

No? I'm saying that drag queens have a historical connection to the LGBT community. Anyone even remotely familiar with LGBT history would know this.

She's right, though. Numerous "drag queens" at those events have been exposed as sex offenders. And this is not about gay people being pedophiles; this is about drag queens being pedophiles.

There are pedophiles in every walk of life - teachers, coaches, priests, family members. Assuming that all drag queens are pedophiles is what I'm criticizing.

Nothing I said (or suggested) indicates I think all drag queens are pedophiles. Once again, this is indicating some problematic assumptions you have.

Lol nice try

[Ferguson97]

How often do you think this happens?

I don't know. Do you?

As someone who grew up in a conservative religious environment, I think the likely answer is “Not very often”. Most teenagers aren’t Atlas teens; they don’t have deeply-held political, philosophical, and religious views derived from reading Wikipedia articles late into the night. They mostly believe what their parents believe. If they don’t, and their parents are abusive towards them because of it, their parents should be prosecuted - not for disrespecting their children’s beliefs, but for being abusive. I think what you have is a solution in search of a problem.

Even if the law winds up protecting just one kid, then it'll be worth it.