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  Which of these terms are sexist when applied to a female candidate? (search mode)
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Question: Of these adjectives, which are inherently sexist if used to describe a woman?
#1
Bossy
 
#2
Naggy
 
#3
B*tchy
 
#4
Condescending
 
#5
Sassy
 
#6
Whiny
 
#7
Nasty
 
#8
Annoying
 
#9
Shrill
 
#10
Obnoxious
 
#11
Rehearsed
 
#12
Evasive
 
#13
Snarky
 
#14
Abrasive
 
#15
Calculated
 
#16
Patronizing
 
#17
Snobby
 
#18
Stuck-up
 
#19
Disagreeable
 
#20
Unpleasant
 
#21
None of the Above
 
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« on: October 13, 2020, 01:24:29 AM »

Shrill, Naggy, B*tchy, and Nasty
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« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2020, 01:08:59 AM »

Have y'all never met a bitchy woman? or man, for that matter?

I knew you were socially reactionary but wow 

People don’t really use “bitchy” to describe an unpleasant man. And obviously I’ve met women I dislike, I just won’t use gendered language like that.
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« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2020, 11:03:01 AM »

Interestingly, my generically-center-left father is more uncomfortable with calling women bitches than is my "it came from the 70s!" second-wave feminist mother, so clearly there isn't a 1:1 correspondence between levels of misogyny and levels of comfort with some of these words.

I think you’re overthinking it, your dad is uncomfortable saying it because he’s a man and it would be sexist if he said it, and your mother is a woman so it’s fine for her to say it.
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« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2020, 12:38:43 AM »

Interestingly, my generically-center-left father is more uncomfortable with calling women bitches than is my "it came from the 70s!" second-wave feminist mother, so clearly there isn't a 1:1 correspondence between levels of misogyny and levels of comfort with some of these words.

I think you’re overthinking it, your dad is uncomfortable saying it because he’s a man and it would be sexist if he said it, and your mother is a woman so it’s fine for her to say it.

The identity group of the user does not define the intent behind the word.

Intent isn't really relevant for stuff like that.
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« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2020, 01:51:31 PM »

Interestingly, my generically-center-left father is more uncomfortable with calling women bitches than is my "it came from the 70s!" second-wave feminist mother, so clearly there isn't a 1:1 correspondence between levels of misogyny and levels of comfort with some of these words.

I think you’re overthinking it, your dad is uncomfortable saying it because he’s a man and it would be sexist if he said it, and your mother is a woman so it’s fine for her to say it.

The identity group of the user does not define the intent behind the word.

Intent isn't really relevant for stuff like that.

Intent is literally all that matters when determining whether or not a person is prejudiced.

Not really? Because unconscious bias is definitely a thing.
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« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2020, 07:48:00 PM »

Interestingly, my generically-center-left father is more uncomfortable with calling women bitches than is my "it came from the 70s!" second-wave feminist mother, so clearly there isn't a 1:1 correspondence between levels of misogyny and levels of comfort with some of these words.

I think you’re overthinking it, your dad is uncomfortable saying it because he’s a man and it would be sexist if he said it, and your mother is a woman so it’s fine for her to say it.

The identity group of the user does not define the intent behind the word.

Intent isn't really relevant for stuff like that.

Intent is literally all that matters when determining whether or not a person is prejudiced.

Not really? Because unconscious bias is definitely a thing.

Even assuming this is true, that doesn't qualify you to interpret another person's statement as though you know the inner workings of their psyche better than they do. I know this might come as a shock to modern leftists, but in ancient history there was once a concept called the "presumption of innocence," which gave the speaker the benefit of the doubt and prevented others from automatically interpreting their words in the most malicious way possible. I understand that this norm has been dead for eons, but reviving it could prove beneficial to our national discourse.

"Bitch" is obviously not even close to being as severe, but would you agree that the n-word is inherently racist for non-Black people to use (the one exception being actors)? 
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« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2020, 09:32:22 PM »

Interestingly, my generically-center-left father is more uncomfortable with calling women bitches than is my "it came from the 70s!" second-wave feminist mother, so clearly there isn't a 1:1 correspondence between levels of misogyny and levels of comfort with some of these words.

I think you’re overthinking it, your dad is uncomfortable saying it because he’s a man and it would be sexist if he said it, and your mother is a woman so it’s fine for her to say it.

The identity group of the user does not define the intent behind the word.

Intent isn't really relevant for stuff like that.

Intent is literally all that matters when determining whether or not a person is prejudiced.

Not really? Because unconscious bias is definitely a thing.

Even assuming this is true, that doesn't qualify you to interpret another person's statement as though you know the inner workings of their psyche better than they do. I know this might come as a shock to modern leftists, but in ancient history there was once a concept called the "presumption of innocence," which gave the speaker the benefit of the doubt and prevented others from automatically interpreting their words in the most malicious way possible. I understand that this norm has been dead for eons, but reviving it could prove beneficial to our national discourse.

"Bitch" is obviously not even close to being as severe, but would you agree that the n-word is inherently racist for non-Black people to use (the one exception being actors)?  

Of course not. Some people of other races genuinely become close enough friends with a black person that they feel comfortable using that term with one another. Like how I used to call my Mexican roommate a "beaner" while he called me a "pasty gringo."

You're unironically using the n-word pass defense?

I have never experienced anything like this in my entire life, and don't know anyone who has.
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« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2020, 10:51:20 PM »

Interestingly, my generically-center-left father is more uncomfortable with calling women bitches than is my "it came from the 70s!" second-wave feminist mother, so clearly there isn't a 1:1 correspondence between levels of misogyny and levels of comfort with some of these words.

I think you’re overthinking it, your dad is uncomfortable saying it because he’s a man and it would be sexist if he said it, and your mother is a woman so it’s fine for her to say it.

The identity group of the user does not define the intent behind the word.

Intent isn't really relevant for stuff like that.

Intent is literally all that matters when determining whether or not a person is prejudiced.

Not really? Because unconscious bias is definitely a thing.

Even assuming this is true, that doesn't qualify you to interpret another person's statement as though you know the inner workings of their psyche better than they do. I know this might come as a shock to modern leftists, but in ancient history there was once a concept called the "presumption of innocence," which gave the speaker the benefit of the doubt and prevented others from automatically interpreting their words in the most malicious way possible. I understand that this norm has been dead for eons, but reviving it could prove beneficial to our national discourse.

"Bitch" is obviously not even close to being as severe, but would you agree that the n-word is inherently racist for non-Black people to use (the one exception being actors)?  

Of course not. Some people of other races genuinely become close enough friends with a black person that they feel comfortable using that term with one another. Like how I used to call my Mexican roommate a "beaner" while he called me a "pasty gringo."

You're unironically using the n-word pass defense?

I have never experienced anything like this in my entire life, and don't know anyone who has.

You're unironically choosing to be offended on behalf of people who aren't offended themselves?

Make some nonwhite friends and I'm sure you'll experience this.

Lol what is this weird assertion that I don't have non-white friends just because you found the one guy who is okay with you saying it?
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