LOGO Democratic forum tonight

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Will this be the debate where Hillary Clinton and John Edwards come out of the closet?

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Hm? Didn't we just have a debate?

the Dems had like three this week. It's even giving me fatigue. Anyway, if no one else gets it, I'll try to watch and report if anything interesting happens.[which is doubtful.] I may not be able to catch it all though, as my mom already doubts my sexuality, and I'm not really all that up for anymore ackward convesations, ha ha.

I don't think it's worth it. Do you really want to see 90 minutes of gay pandering at the risk of being accused of being gay?

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Technically it wasn' t a Democratic debate, it's just that all of the Republicans are too homophobic, and turned it down. Yes, Ron Paul hates the gays.

Well, I don't really think that's the case. Paul supports leaving gay rights up to each individual state, which is a position I support. While he personally is against Gay marriage, he has no problem with some states deciding to allow it. As I’ve said before, this seems to me to be a perfectly sensible position. Unfortunately, the populace at large is still opposed to gay marriage, and I myself would feel uncomfortable having laws passed requiring them to recognize it. Instead, I am in favor of for now having full rights granted by civil unions[ though I’m not generally a  fan of separate but equal policies, here it might work.] Then, in 30 or 40 years, where the populace will be more willing to accept gay marriage, we should then campaign for that. But shoving gay marriage down the throat of Americans now will only create more resentment towards gay rights, and IMHO, hurt the cause. No, instead, I am in favor not of winning the battle through the intervention of the courts [which I think we all know would be demonized.] but winning by changing people’s minds. But again, I am nothing if not an idealist.

As for the forum, I watched a bit of Obama’s speech and turned it off. Basically, if you knew the candidates positions on gay marriage before, I don’t think they’ve changed at all.

http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/07/19/ron-paul-and-gay-rights/

As I said Ron Paul hates the gays.

I assume you would have been really pissed off when the Supreme Court struck down inter-racial marriage bans?

That author was clearly not an true libertarian. Everybody who's read the Constitution and understands it would understand the principle of states' rights.

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Technically it wasn' t a Democratic debate, it's just that all of the Republicans are too homophobic, and turned it down. Yes, Ron Paul hates the gays.

It's nothing new that Ron Paul "hates teh gays," or whatever, but it's simply inaccurate to classify all the Republicans running as "gay haters."  Giuliani has a record on gay rights that's better than most Democrats in this country—it just makes no political sense for him to go to a LOGO debate.  It'd kill him amongst the GOP electorate who are already wondering if he's too socially liberal.

I'm just wondering, and this is a serious question, do you actively support gay marriage, or do you think civil unions with the same rights are sufficient?