2024 Third Party and Independent Candidate General discussion

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It’s demonstrably harder to get on the ballot in 2024 than in 2020 for prez

The mods should merge all Kanye threads over here. La Riva is a more relevant political figure than Ye, who will demonstrably get less of the popular vote this time around.

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I have no information to add in this post but thank you to PSOL for keeping this thread alive and keeping us informed on the doings of some of our country's parties.

I should really make a militia/far right, Left wing, and labor general on General—but I’m lazy to start it. Going over that would be way too difficult and would possibly be counterproductive to my goals.

Here I cover everyone because, well, somebody has to somewhere on the internet as an archivist

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Another look on finances

From these numbers we see that the Constitution Party has about 40% of the resources of the Green Party, while the Libertarian National Committee has about twelve times the financial resources of the Green Party.

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Making this be brief but the main trends we are seeing are that Libertarian infighting and desertion are really harming the party at large. The statewide defections where they are losing ballot access have stopped but the donor money and membership dropping hasn’t. A shame stateboiler is in the muck of this to be unable to let us know of his insights.

The prohibition party has shifted considerably left after a transgender lesbian joined the party. They’ve become pro-choice and shifted generally to the center or left on all issues aside from their namesake.

Alliance has petered out

The constitution party (Blankensh!t) has purged the most relevant statewide party to trade in with the AIP whom are now its official California branch.

The Green party is in an incredibly awkward position with Hawkins being the main “left” figurehead of an Ukraine Solidarity League. People on the high up are not happy about it and that this comes after the resignation of the GNC floor leader and disassociation from the American-continent wide Green party conference isn’t showing good signs. All the while the WCP, PSL, and more socialist organizations seem to be on the up and up for this election. The primaries for P&F are going to either be a dud or especially rough.

Kanye’s campaign, as I predicted, has collapsed. Fuentes has been replaced by Milo and the fact that y’all don’t care and have been obsessing over the witch of Endor proves just how irrelevant it all was.

The ASP has held their fourth and last primary debate to choose a candidate. I am not able to have the time to watch it, but regardless any ASP candidate will do well. I expect they and the PSL are the only third party or independent ticket to cross over 100k aside from the libertarians and greens.

Reform is holding their convention June 15th.

I am a little skeptical to say the least that Socialist Alternative will endorse the Greens again, but it is the highest likelihood outside of running alone.

https://twitter.com/pslnational/status/1660695997956194307?cxt=HHwWhoC84cON_YsuA...

Gloria is probably going to run again unless something crazy happens

Afroman is having a lot of fun it seems, very much the vermin supreme of this cycle. I’ll be adding his website soon.

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Hawkins has always been a problem to certain members of the Green establishment, most of it for bull•••• or that he’s a socialist, but now he’s getting especially contentious. The man does not toe the popular or party line and goes his own way, which did wonders in his prior races and getting the Green party to change courses.

Of course, no one actually has the ability to challenge him in a contested primary; Jill Stein has burned her bridges and is a sourpuss, Baraka seems much more older than Howie with none of his charm, and everyone else has either left or been kicked out. The only serious challengers would probably be Margaret Flowers or Kimberly.

Something strange is happening with the P&F twitter account where they haven’t posted in months and not frequently since the California elections. Their website is particularly inactive. Something is amiss here and I smell drama.

Anyway, I have no doubt that the ASP nominee will be Jacqueline Abernathy.

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I’m pretty sure the vast majority of libertarian party members have soured on Amash, and given the expulsion, resignation, and noncompliance of anti-MC people from the party, the MC candidate should win. Still, doing so means that there will be pushback by the political establishment moreso than in past elections and confusion on even if the MC will run in all the states they have ballot access for or go for a safe state strategy that has killed prior movements. Expect even more splits and desertions as the campaign progresses

How have the different caucuses reacted to the MC takeover anyway? The pragmatic caucus is out and Vermin is fuming, but there’s no information on what the LPRadicals and ancaps are reacting.

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Ok, since Jared is off to the pasture Libertarian party stuff is alright to post here. I will start posting links tomorrow.

Peter Sonski is the ASP prez nominee by 52 preference votes

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I’d never thought I’d report on the People’s Party again but here we are

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Assuming he actually makes it on a non-negligible number of ballots (and it's early enough that he can), then he is distinctly a more serious left-wing third-party spoiler than anyone who ran in 2020. Hard to say if he does better than Stein '16, but I think he's well-known enough that it's not out of the question.

There is no such thing as a “spoiler candidate”. And it’s not like Cornel West is major in any way, he’s less relevant in actual terms compared to the Green party’s candidate or PSL/P&F nominee thanks to their GOTV machines among other variables.

Anyway, someone merge this in the third party thread.

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Surely the 13th completely irrelevant leftist splinter group with negligible ballot access will make a huge impact, even though the first 12 didn't. I could see this warranting some attention if it were a merger of existing groups, but as it stands this is yet another group starting from scratch with no ballot access splitting the already tiny pool of socialist voters in the US.

As far as leftist third parties go, there's already:

Green Party
Party for Socialism and Liberation
Peace and Freedom Party
Socialist Workers Party
Socialist Party USA
Socialist Alternative
Socialist Equality Party
Socialist Action Party
Working Class Party
and then like a dozen others which no longer run candidates but claim not to be defunct.

1,5, and 6 endorsed each other for one campaign

2,3 ran together

The WCP didn’t run a candidate and the remaining parties either ran a write in campaign or were in the ballot in less than 7 states. They also are based with branches numbering five or less and less than a hundred members among them.

The People’s party is on the ballot in 4 states already, they can get on more.

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The Green party, which was founded in the 1980s, has 25,000 dues paying members and 240,000 RVs and managed to poll ~408,000 counting write ins not tallied by Atlas. They were joined by various organizations and figures like the SP (1,500 members) and SAlt (1,000+ members). The PSL, founded in 2004, and friends (P&F, LUP) probably have 1-3,000 active members by my estimates and polled ~87,000 votes and gained ~16,000 raw votes. The WCP, founded in 2012 unofficially, which is registered in two states score an average of several thousand downballot for statewide and federal legislative races and is running for president. At some point ballot access ceases mattering and it goes to GOTV machines. The Green party was risking collapse and loss of 4 more states had they not been victorious in lawsuits, immediate signatures, and decisive action in preventing saboteurs from rendering state parties absolvent.

Cornel West most likely will be a dud candidate because no way in hell does popularity matter. Examples like Kanye and Roseanne show this time and time again. There’s also the real phenomenon of left wing democrats refusing to vote for left wing candidates because they have proven time and time again they are sheepish cowards either buying into the “close race” delusion or refusing to do something which would not make them be the “good leftists” voting blue no matter who. The DSA regularly goes after members not licking Joe Biden’s balls like they were ice cream.

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Mods there are two threads which should be merged in this one, thank you. Anyway on established parties.

https://twitter.com/HowieHawkins/status/1665750792932925440?cxt=HHwWgIC9kanh950u...

The Green parties are meeting fraternally.

Alliance is petered out since the 2022 midterms. No new news or website updates

ASP voter results:
Peter Sonski of Connecticut, 328 – 52%
Jacqueline Abernathy of Texas, 207 – 33%
Joe Schriner of Ohio, 50 – 8%
Larry Johnson of Colorado, 24 – 4%
Erskine Levi of California , 16 – 3%

Afroman seems to be running his campaign through social media solely at https://twitter.com/ogafroman

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In light of the fact that Nina Turner has successfully bounced for the Democratic Party and is going to win, that removes one of the many possibilities of a presidential nominee. Of course, there are a looooot of personalities to choose from. In order from those I like to those I don’t:

• Abby Martin: Host of the Empire Files and Breakthrough News. Longtime activist in the DSA. Has links to the PSL inner command through her husband, Mike Prysner. If anyone is going to have a chance at nabbing the nomination of the P&FP through PSL bloc voting, it’s her. She’s going to attract most AES-supporting Marxist-Leninists, The people at The Grayzone, and the only person who can possibly wrack up the most DSA locals. The left of the People’s Party.
• Rose McGowan: Leader of Code Pink and major #MeToo figure. On accounts of the latter alone, she’s up here. Anti-imperialist social democrat.
• Cornel West: A major supporter of Sanders with links to activist groups and certain segments among the Black Left, such as the Poor People’s Campaign. Religious socialist. Theoretically could get the support of Bob Avakian’s RCP through West’s involvement with Refuse Fascism, so that’s an added 100+ circulators, doorknockers, and voters from it. I think a great person to be VP.
• Marianne Williamson: My favorite cleric. A figure notable nationwide for her 2020 presidential run, charity work in aiding the poor and sick, union busting, and copyright battles for the works of her grand master. Her baggage extends further into her actual writings; a proponent of the prosperity gospel, antivaxx stances, and the oddity of her religious beliefs. Technically not a member. Being a former Green Party supporter is also another predictable touch, so glad these elements are gone at least
• Nick Brana: Bernie surrogate who started the party. By my sources most likely the dude responsible for not forming a relationship with the Green Party. Standard social democrat and person who idolizes William Jennings Brian.
• Susan Sarandon: the odd celebrity in there. On accounts of her status of working in high institutions and her wealth, she’s on the party’s right as opposed to the apparent left position of actor Danny Glover. Bobo figure
• Jimmy Dore: E-celeb notable for controversy covered previously. Runs a very slick set of self-promotion and operations however

Ok, I was very close with my observations but I definitely missed the mark. For one running Empire Files and codePink are full time jobs. Marianne’s opportunism is apparent as was her shrewd operation that was going swimmingly till the Left’s preacher jumped in. Our black WJB has a lot of connections to the wider left and a much more pleasant personality on top of that.

Nick Brana, in knowing his worth, is trying to revive his failed project by running someone much bigger than himself. Everyone else falls in line because they don’t have the time to put in real work.

Also given how cringe mutual aid as it is practiced is, the work of several parties here in promoting it was incorrect. SAlt had the correct line and I’m sorry for doubting that.

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The Alliance Party was studiously trying to not reinvent the wheel by forging alliances with local centrist independence parties to accumulate ballot access, rather than focusing on building an entirely new party on their own, but I guess that work is mooted by not having actual candidates to give that ballot access to.

The alliance party was the work of political insiders and grifters with no real connection to reality. The fact that already they are begging for candidates like the Green party does is quite sad.

West went out of his way to support “Brother Trump” in 2016

Citation?

https://twitter.com/cornelwest/status/635996114060050432?s=46&t=o2RmfeV6yYJk...

Not everything authentic is good.

Anyway the craziest thing just happened, the Socialist party went full 180 on aesthetics and have became very much a Marxist-Leninist party. Whether this is a genuine turn or similar to the WWP trick is debatable, but that makes them the only nominal communist party with elected officials in a loooong time. It’s good that red is in fashion.

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Still leaning toward Hawkins if he runs, but considering West. Not sure why he didn't run Green.

Because the Green Party per the words of the People party are “too socialistic” and have an “ossified bureaucracy” that they can’t immediately take over.

https://twitter.com/LavenderGreens/status/1664009582669348864?cxt=HHwWgIDS3cX535...

https://twitter.com/nick_brana/status/1665943288967462917?cxt=HHwWioDQrYimz54uAA...

2023 is going off strong

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Had West run for the Dems I probably would give him my vote. Right now the only reason I’m considering Williamson is more in spite of rather than because of her. I just want a more progressive delegation to the DNC.

edit, maybe not with all the pro-russia BS now. Why the hell are so many leftists garbage on foreign policy

Because their understanding of foreign policy begins and ends with "America Bad".

But in all seriousness, this is a BIG problem I have with DoreKnobs, Marinanne-stans, Krystal Ball fans, and now seemingly Cornell West: if your flagship policies are abandoning Ukraine, opposing vaccine mandates, and holding hands and singing Kumbaya with January 6 Insurrectionists, then I honestly don't care how good you are on other issues. These three are a complete deal-breaker.

The latter three don’t do this at all and “abandoning Ukraine” isn’t apart of their platform.

Cornel West and Marianne Williamson’s base understand they don’t benefit from worldwide collapse just to benefit a select few shareholders and the MIC, and so does most of the country. Not their fault some of you do.

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Well, questions made prior are being answered, Cornel West is seeking the Green party endorsement. This primary season just got interesting.

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Well, questions made prior are being answered, Cornel West is seeking the Green party endorsement. This primary season just got interesting.

I highly doubt they would endorse him cause of how swampy the Green Party is. Only maybe if he gets a ton of media attention.

The thing is the green party is already fractured enough and Hawkins seems to be at his nadir of support, what with Black Agenda Report promoting electoral abstentionism and how important opposing the Ukrainian war on the home front is to the American Left right now. He could get a lot of traction in the party and convince state chapters to endorse him rather than Hawkins.

Similar situation happened with Nader too, taking up the energy and ballot lines from the 2004 and 2008 candidates. For Cornel West to be successful he need to ask around and get in the primaries and grab the endorsements of all the left wing parties; P&F, SAlt, SPUSA, SCWP, MAWP, and the WCP for the other most relevant players.

Wikipedia is engaging in Hawkins and Prohibition party erasure by not including candidates who have already got the nom or are the frontrunners. Sigh, just like last time.

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Marianne Williamson proxy and de facto a Democratic partisan agent has cast the first stone. Vaush has ridiculed the Cornel West campaign.

The change in the SPUSA did not occur, what I posted was by some irrelevant splinter.

Brock Pierce is teasing a third party run.

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Cornel West wants to abolish NATO. End of discussion.

Nobody cares about your opinions

The consolidation of the social democratic pole continues

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Colorado is the first state where Libertarians are stepping down

Several parties and independent candidates will be on the ballot in NJ

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Cornel West wants to abolish NATO. End of discussion.

Nobody cares about your opinions

The consolidation of the social democratic pole continues

Fast track to sixth in Iowa

Meaningless in this context

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This thread has had the most activity in a long time by people other than myself. Must mean something is shifting.

Cornel West talks about his campaign with the Green party with Black Agenda Report.

https://twitter.com/GreenPartyUS/status/1668836325280354305?cxt=HHwWgsDUyfjy8qgu...

Well, at least one primary this cycle will be competitive.

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This thread has had the most activity in a long time by people other than myself. Must mean something is shifting.


Well, at least one primary this cycle will be competitive.

Isn't he up against nobody else major yet, if Hawkins hasn't officially declared?

We will see

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Jacobin is begging West to join the democratic primary. Unbelievably pathetic but expected of the more intelligent leadership in the DSA who know they can’t keep the con of pushing the democrats left any longer without some figurehead. They know the rank-and-file are pissed about wasting several years of their lives.

Dan La Botz, a has been, has written an article. The important information in the article is that Chris Hedges was PP’s Judas in working out the Green party deal. Howie, per his comments on West, is clearly determined to keep fighting and stop another attempted entryist invasion of the party.