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PSOL
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« on: February 18, 2019, 09:08:41 AM »

I'm not a Climate Denier, and I believe that Global Warming is due, at least in part, to human behavior.  But I'd also point out that while we have ALTERNATIVES to fossil fuels, we do not have a SUBSTITUTE for fossil fuels, at least not as of now.  And we're not on the brink of having a substitute, either.  Green New Deals need to go forward with that reality.
That's a fair point, to which I would say, let's start giving bigger tax breaks to tech comanies developing green technologies and researching new options, and let's stop giving tax breaks to companies that affect our planet negatively. Let's start giving citizens tax breaks for driving hybrid cars. Abd so on. Money makes the world go around, so let's incentivize people and businesses financially to be environmentally and green energy friendly.
Tax breaks on non-renewables won’t result in any worthy results. The failure of bringing about 5G and the recent tax breaks indicate that corporations would just engage in stock buyback when give the opportunity to improve infrastructure.
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« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2019, 12:52:19 PM »

I'm not a Climate Denier, and I believe that Global Warming is due, at least in part, to human behavior.  But I'd also point out that while we have ALTERNATIVES to fossil fuels, we do not have a SUBSTITUTE for fossil fuels, at least not as of now.  And we're not on the brink of having a substitute, either.  Green New Deals need to go forward with that reality.

We actually have common ground for once!  And greens are misreading the public mood by calling for phasing out meat-eating, planes, and cars.  Most people (myself included) have absolutely no intention of changing our lifestyles, nor do we wish to pay higher prices for electricity due to a carbon tax.  Anyone calling for these changes will risk political suicide at the ballot box, if not during the primary, then most definitely in November.   

The true culprit really isn’t personal consumption, but the work of about 200 or so multinational firms unwilling to invest the capital to make the pollution byproduct lessen during commercial activity. One of the reasons why environmentalists need to move toward structural change of our economic reality to achieve tangible results.

Even so, if you are unwilling to take some small hit for such an issue, humanity risks dying a slow and painful extinction.
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« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2019, 01:13:00 PM »
« Edited: February 18, 2019, 01:19:23 PM by PSOL »

I'm not a Climate Denier, and I believe that Global Warming is due, at least in part, to human behavior.  But I'd also point out that while we have ALTERNATIVES to fossil fuels, we do not have a SUBSTITUTE for fossil fuels, at least not as of now.  And we're not on the brink of having a substitute, either.  Green New Deals need to go forward with that reality.

We actually have common ground for once!  And greens are misreading the public mood by calling for phasing out meat-eating, planes, and cars.  Most people (myself included) have absolutely no intention of changing our lifestyles, nor do we wish to pay higher prices for electricity due to a carbon tax.  Anyone calling for these changes will risk political suicide at the ballot box, if not during the primary, then most definitely in November.    

The true culprit really isn’t personal consumption, but the work of about 200 or so multinational firms unwilling to invest the capital to make the pollution byproduct lessen during commercial activity. One of the reasons why environmentalists need to move toward structural change of our economic reality to achieve tangible results.

Even so, if you are unwilling to take some small hit for such an issue, humanity risks dying a slow and painful extinction.

I am generally skeptical of apocalyptic 'the end is nigh!' rhetoric.  Moreover, until I see people like Al Gore actually walk the talk, why should I do the same?    
Because, in a world already stacked with humanitarian disasters such as human displacement on the scale of WWII, numerous credible scientific estimates prove that any more of a rise in average temperature by 1/2 of a degree points to the following; increased encroachment of Tropical crop eating bugs, accelerating the current desertification, and the inability to properly harvest the staple crops needed to preserve our global food system.

The reality is that we have an encroaching disaster that could plunge the world into enough chaos as to bleed into the barricaded “First” world, but the elite of that same world is too selfish to institute structural nor encourage personal change in that peripheral area. That area, of which I may add, has the largest ecological footprint per capita and thus the more responsible actor for the fault here.

Unlike previous apocalyptic scenarios, the science backs up that the end is nigh here.

Also, a lot of people won’t change without some sort if pressure behind it, one of the reasons why there should be taxes on those homes spilling out ungodly amounts of emissions.
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