"The Left Case Against Open Borders" by Anegla Nagle (user search)
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« on: November 25, 2018, 03:22:32 PM »

This language on the right is as absurd as the privilege language on the left. Yes, I support "open borders", which means what the East German officials did in November 1989-- they opened the border. Unlimited immigration is a complete straw man.

Pretty much. You don't have to turn the world into a series of prisons just to have borders doesn't mean there can't be borders or rules on immigration.


Can you believe that both 1) we should have borders and 2) it should never be a crime to simply exist?

Well obviously. "No human being is illegal" is a slander that implies people who support immigration control think "people are illegal". People existing is not illegal, immigrating without authorization is illegal.

To say that Guatemalans should have to live in Guatemala is not to deny their humanity. Similarly, I do not think I should be able to go to Guatemala without the permission of their government. I am not denying my own humanity by saying that.

This is closer to the problem. There are many people who we associate with places whom themselves do not associate with this places because they feel that they cannot. The question is whether that is a problem, something that is absolutely none of our business unless we are directly impacted by it, or whether that is a good thing.

Most immigrants who come to America are economic migrants. They are not coming here because they are misunderstood emo kids who don't fit in in Honduras. In most cases, they still actually like Honduras (or wherever they are from) a whole lot. They just want to come to America because it's economically beneficial for them to do so. That's why once they get here, they usually socialize mostly with other immigrants.
Well just a few months ago the Honduran Government was arresting and shooting protesters. Seems easier to just move for the benefit of your family then get shot in a revolution, a revolution that would ultimately be squashed by the U.S.–backed regime.

Why don’t we help the immigrants home country develop jobs and personal liberties, that way they won’t immigrate here. Why don’t we also stop buying drugs in large quantities, causing violence in the region.

You lie that Immigrants only converse with their own people. I see my own talk to regular joes all the time. I see Muslims celebrate Hannukah over here. I know that there is actually a lack of conversing with the immigrants own, taking the toll of weakening their mother tongues and customs. I know soldiers from all backgrounds going to fight for liberty here. Stop lying here now, some of us actually are these people.
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« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2018, 03:52:24 PM »

We need to recognize that everyone in this thread is being self interested. No one here is showing "solidarity".

Immigrants are advocating for more American resources to go to immigrants.

I, a native born American, am advocating that American resources stay among the current population.

The only difference is I'm in my own country, the country my parents were born in. I'm not going to another country and advocating that I get their resources.
A good 20% of future American economists in my class were descendants of or are recent immigrants. Heck, an insane number of math teachers near me are immigrants. Having names such as Bohuslav, Abrahamovic, and Saiqi in the class as teachers are not uncommon in this area. Take into mind that I go to a white bread private school, those immigrants are directly fostering “your” peoples’ skills.

Tell me friend, what’s your ancestry. Let’s see if I can’t find a recent immigrant ancestor no earlier than the Mayflower Puritans.
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« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2018, 04:15:20 PM »

Just put Mortimer on ignore already. Don't feed the troll.
Friend, I know that I am talking to a fool. I’m trying to get him to say outrageous claims to help the bystanders watching the conversation unfold. Why do you think I started engaging with the other fools more often.
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