Will/Should US defend Ukraine against Russian invasion, at the risk of starting WW3?

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Should, but won't. I'm going to write more about it tomorrow

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I now turn to all of you with a very important message. And first of all, I ask you to read it to those who consider Ukraine part of Russia or consider only Crimea and Donbass part of Russia or in any other way deny the territorial integrity of my country. I'm not going to call these Atlas posters right now, but they know exactly who I'm talking about. It should be noted that I perceive all this not as a personal insult to me, but as an insult to my people and my state, and not only as an insult, but as an open call to destroy the territorial integrity of Ukraine.

First of all, I must say that I do not believe that anyone, no matter Americans, British or Germans, should fight for Ukraine and defend its independence at the cost of their lives. In my opinion, this is too much. Human life is the highest value and to give it for the defense of another's country, another's people is not always right and appropriate. I understand the grief of mothers who are expecting a son from the war in another state, but will never be able to see him again. This is terrible. And it should not be so. Therefore, the presence and assistance of the US military in Ukraine to protect it from the Kremlin's insanity would be great, but I absolutely do not support it, at least not yet. Defending a foreign country is not worth the tears of mothers, wives and sisters. I say this as a person whose acquaintances include veterans of the Afghan war and there are families in which someone from the Afghan war has not returned.

At the same time, the United States must provide absolutely any armament that Ukraine will need to protect its territorial integrity. Absolutely any. Why? First, because it's not just about Ukraine. It's about the West's ability to stand up to Russia, it's about the West's resilience to the Russian threat. You know, some European parties are almost openly funded by Russia, at least. Whether we like it or not, many countries depend on Russia. With the construction and launch of Nord Stream 2 (which I believe will be the case anyway), Europe is also becoming dependent on Russia. During all the years of construction of this gas pipeline, the interests of Eastern European and Baltic countries have been betrayed. But now this problem is not only in Eastern Europe, but throughout the EU. The topic of Nord Stream-2 is, in fact, a little different. I will return to previous thoughts. So, Russia will definitely not stop at a full-scale war against Ukraine (it is worth remembering that Russia's war against Ukraine has been going on for 7 years, but it is not full-scale). Whether I want to admit it or not, I must point out that Ukraine itself will not be able to withstand the Russian army without the help of the West. So, after the fall of Ukraine in the absence of Western aid, the actual Anschluss of Belarus, which has already taken place, the Kremlin marasmatic will continue to return the empire. Many countries will fall victim to this policy, and the worst thing is that the West will not be able to do anything about it. If you do not act now, then it will be too late.

And now I want to answer all the people who said something like "Ukraine belongs to Russia", "It's one people" or something else. Dear and not very dear, you know, I will not even touch on the time of the Russian Empire, when almost all the peasants were serfs who had no right to revolt, who had absolutely no rights, and who could be exchanged for a necklace; when Ukrainian culture was persecuted and destroyed at a slow pace.

I will talk about the Soviet Union - a favorite country of many fanatics. You know, my great-grandfather was exiled to Solovki during collectivization, from where he never returned. Do you know why? He privately owned 3 hectares of land, 2 horses and 4 cows. He was exiled, and his property was collectivized, taken to the collective farm, where two horses and 2 cows died six months later due to neglect.

Then there was the Holodomor. Can you imagine parents slaughtering and eating their child? I couldn't either, but it was. In the village where my grandfather's family lived, 80 percent of the population died. It was the same in the neighboring villages. Party members came to the house, killed all the pets so that they would not be eaten, and took all the food. My grandfather's family escaped by eating frogs, moles, and mice. Because people hid grain somewhere at home, they could just be shot. At the same time, grain was exported at a breakneck pace, wheat, barley and other grains grew in the fields, but people could not eat it because the Law "On Three Ears" was adopted. This law was that if a person plucks ears of corn in the field, he must be shot immediately.

After the Holodomor, ethnic Russians were brought into empty houses, most of whom had previously been prisoners - murderers, robbers, and so on. Thus, the Ukrainian-speaking Donbass, inhabited by ethnic Ukrainians, was transformed into a region of Russian-speaking ethnic Russians. After the Holodomor, the repressions of 1936-1937 began, when the entire Ukrainian intelligentsia was destroyed. My great-grandmother, who was a schoolteacher, was sent to a concentration camp for 20 years for coming to work in Ukrainian national clothes. She returned from exile after Stalin's death, when Khrushchev was rehabilitating some prisoners, but died a few years later because she became seriously ill in the North.

The culture of Ukrainians was practically destroyed. Ethnic Ukrainian territories were inhabited by Russians. Those were terrible times. And they will be repeated if Russia captures Ukraine.

And in the end, I can't keep quiet, let it be extremely rude, but all those who say here that "Ukraine is a part of Russia", "It's one nation with a small difference", etc. - you are scum, you are horrible people. Everyone who knows me knows that I have never called anyone here a bad word, but I cannot remain silent now. God forbid that any of you go through what my great-grandparents, grandparents, and finally, my parents went through, God forbid!

Posting this in two threads. The other being Ukraine general discussion

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Please read!

I now turn to all of you with a very important message. And first of all, I ask you to read it to those who consider Ukraine part of Russia or consider only Crimea and Donbass part of Russia or in any other way deny the territorial integrity of my country. I'm not going to call these Atlas posters right now, but they know exactly who I'm talking about. It should be noted that I perceive all this not as a personal insult to me, but as an insult to my people and my state, and not only as an insult, but as an open call to destroy the territorial integrity of Ukraine.

First of all, I must say that I do not believe that anyone, no matter Americans, British or Germans, should fight for Ukraine and defend its independence at the cost of their lives. In my opinion, this is too much. Human life is the highest value and to give it for the defense of another's country, another's people is not always right and appropriate. I understand the grief of mothers who are expecting a son from the war in another state, but will never be able to see him again. This is terrible. And it should not be so. Therefore, the presence and assistance of the US military in Ukraine to protect it from the Kremlin's insanity would be great, but I absolutely do not support it, at least not yet. Defending a foreign country is not worth the tears of mothers, wives and sisters. I say this as a person whose acquaintances include veterans of the Afghan war and there are families in which someone from the Afghan war has not returned.

At the same time, the United States must provide absolutely any armament that Ukraine will need to protect its territorial integrity. Absolutely any. Why? First, because it's not just about Ukraine. It's about the West's ability to stand up to Russia, it's about the West's resilience to the Russian threat. You know, some European parties are almost openly funded by Russia, at least. Whether we like it or not, many countries depend on Russia. With the construction and launch of Nord Stream 2 (which I believe will be the case anyway), Europe is also becoming dependent on Russia. During all the years of construction of this gas pipeline, the interests of Eastern European and Baltic countries have been betrayed. But now this problem is not only in Eastern Europe, but throughout the EU. The topic of Nord Stream-2 is, in fact, a little different. I will return to previous thoughts. So, Russia will definitely not stop at a full-scale war against Ukraine (it is worth remembering that Russia's war against Ukraine has been going on for 7 years, but it is not full-scale). Whether I want to admit it or not, I must point out that Ukraine itself will not be able to withstand the Russian army without the help of the West. So, after the fall of Ukraine in the absence of Western aid, the actual Anschluss of Belarus, which has already taken place, the Kremlin marasmatic will continue to return the empire. Many countries will fall victim to this policy, and the worst thing is that the West will not be able to do anything about it. If you do not act now, then it will be too late.

And now I want to answer all the people who said something like "Ukraine belongs to Russia", "It's one people" or something else. Dear and not very dear, you know, I will not even touch on the time of the Russian Empire, when almost all the peasants were serfs who had no right to revolt, who had absolutely no rights, and who could be exchanged for a necklace; when Ukrainian culture was persecuted and destroyed at a slow pace.

I will talk about the Soviet Union - a favorite country of many fanatics. You know, my great-grandfather was exiled to Solovki during collectivization, from where he never returned. Do you know why? He privately owned 3 hectares of land, 2 horses and 4 cows. He was exiled, and his property was collectivized, taken to the collective farm, where two horses and 2 cows died six months later due to neglect.

Then there was the Holodomor. Can you imagine parents slaughtering and eating their child? I couldn't either, but it was. In the village where my grandfather's family lived, 80 percent of the population died. It was the same in the neighboring villages. Party members came to the house, killed all the pets so that they would not be eaten, and took all the food. My grandfather's family escaped by eating frogs, moles, and mice. Because people hid grain somewhere at home, they could just be shot. At the same time, grain was exported at a breakneck pace, wheat, barley and other grains grew in the fields, but people could not eat it because the Law "On Three Ears" was adopted. This law was that if a person plucks ears of corn in the field, he must be shot immediately.

After the Holodomor, ethnic Russians were brought into empty houses, most of whom had previously been prisoners - murderers, robbers, and so on. Thus, the Ukrainian-speaking Donbass, inhabited by ethnic Ukrainians, was transformed into a region of Russian-speaking ethnic Russians. After the Holodomor, the repressions of 1936-1937 began, when the entire Ukrainian intelligentsia was destroyed. My great-grandmother, who was a schoolteacher, was sent to a concentration camp for 20 years for coming to work in Ukrainian national clothes. She returned from exile after Stalin's death, when Khrushchev was rehabilitating some prisoners, but died a few years later because she became seriously ill in the North.

The culture of Ukrainians was practically destroyed. Ethnic Ukrainian territories were inhabited by Russians. Those were terrible times. And they will be repeated if Russia captures Ukraine.

And in the end, I can't keep quiet, let it be extremely rude, but all those who say here that "Ukraine is a part of Russia", "It's one nation with a small difference", etc. - you are scum, you are horrible people. Everyone who knows me knows that I have never called anyone here a bad word, but I cannot remain silent now. God forbid that any of you go through what my great-grandparents, grandparents, and finally, my parents went through, God forbid!

Posting this in two threads. The other being Ukraine general discussion

And I forgot to say that being part of the Russian Empire and then the Soviet Union was never the will of the Ukrainian people. Ukrainians have always wanted to see their state independent, but due to various circumstances, such as the betrayal of the Crimean Khan during the National Liberation War in 1648-1657 or the relatively inexperienced administrative apparatus in 1917-1923, Russia has repeatedly occupied Ukraine and tried to erase anything Ukrainian -  from Ukrainian language to Ukrainian culture

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Thanks for sharing this sad yet important info. I have a few questions.

I am very interested in history and culture. I hope small cultures to survive and not been fully assimilated by the dominant ones. From my knowledge, Belarusian is closer to Ukrainian than Russian in terms of language and culture. But unfortunately, it seems Belarusians are ok with being Russified. Currently most of the people over there speak Russian as mother tongue. It seems unavoidable that they will be completely Russfied in a generation or two. This is vastly different from Ukraine. Do you know why is that the case? How strong is the national identity in Belarus?

For Ukraine, I heard there is a deep national divide. The western part, especially Galicia, was strongly influenced by Poland and Austrian Empire, and strongly against Russification, while the east is less so. What about the ethnic Ukrainians in the eastern part, who survive the Soviet holocaust and Russification?

I know Ukraine is currently going through de-russification. But in the worst case scenario, say US did not defend nor provide enough support, and Putin conquered Ukraine. He is likely to re-russify Ukraine, like promoting Russian as official language again. Do you think the eastern Ukraine could survive that, or (unfortunately) become another Belarus?

And if the current situation continues, or the broke-away forces continue with effective autonomy. Do you think they will be russified like Belarus?

Thank you for these questions. They are actually very meaningful, important and interesting. I have no moral right not to answer them. But I think it's worth doing in a separate thread that I'll create, maybe in a week or so. I plan to make this thread in which I will answer all the questions about Ukraine and will tell about Ukrainian culture and famous beautiful places in Ukraine, to begin with. And I promise I'll start with your questions!