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« on: January 23, 2006, 09:08:01 PM »

I don't see what damage the existence of these offices is causing, so why abolish them?
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« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2006, 10:37:27 PM »

I have to agree with the Attorney General, especially about the Lottery Commissioner.  I would probably favor the elimination of all the other offices.

Each of these was created by the initiative process over the months; I forget during whose tenure they were each established, but it was long before we elected TCash.
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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2006, 12:11:04 AM »

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« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2006, 06:49:29 PM »

I am going to propose a new regional government reorginization plan that includes the abolishment of those offices.

Is Lottery Commissioner to be sacked under your plan?  If not, I would probably support it.  The other offices I can do without.
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« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2006, 12:45:17 AM »

In response to your question Q, the positions actually aren't dropped but consolidated.

That's even better than I could have hoped for.  Looks great, Preston.  I've got a soft spot for that old Lottery Commission.  Thanks for your efforts.

I give it my signature.  x Q
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« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2006, 08:06:05 PM »

Most of this seems fine, but I really, really don't like the idea of giving the Governor veto power over what has to-date been decided by the will of the majority of the SE, and especially not by requiring the public to be 60% in favor of something for it to be veto-proof.  It should be 50% if the veto power winds up being granted.

But I do have a question:
(h) The Governor shall have the power to veto an initiative
(i) A 3/5 majority shall be required to overturn a [veto?]

Would that be 3/5 of the people who voted for the particular initiative that was vetoed?  I doubt we could get 3/5 of even the people who voted "Aye" to get back and vote to overturn the veto, both because not everyone in the region aren't active all the time and, furthermore, because most people, even if disappointed that the Governor vetoed something that a majority had voted for, would be not especially likely to come back and vote against the Governor like this.

I urge the sponsor of this initiative, Cosmo Kramer, to remove the veto power provision.
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« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2006, 02:21:41 AM »

Voters of the Southeast: I urge you to reject any initiative put before you that allows the Governor to overrule the will of the people!
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« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2006, 06:48:09 PM »

Wouldn't it be pointless to have a veto provision that is overidable with 50% when that's what it required to pass in the first place? Tongue

But if I see a lot of outcry over the veto provision, I will remove it.

But you must realize, even with that new provision, the Southeast would still have the most republican veto laws in the country.  I'm pretty sure every region has them, and most require 2/3 majority and not 3/5.  The Northeast doesn't even allow for veto overrides.

Yes, but I like it that way.  Simple majority of The People should rule, since I think we Southeasterners are a sensible lot.  The other regions might not care about republicanism, but I don't think that's a good reason to give up our individual sovereignty.
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« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2006, 11:38:37 PM »

The veto provision from my proposition has been removed.

Capital.  I sign in that case.

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« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2006, 11:41:23 PM »

The Regional Assembly will be open for session not too long after my term begins, which happens to begin right after the election.  So you won't have to wait too long, Jake.

Wouldn't you need to be elected first?  Tongue
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