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« on: February 02, 2008, 03:14:35 PM »
« edited: February 26, 2008, 11:14:25 PM by Verily »

End of the Budget Amendment

Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution is hereby repealed.

(Sponsor: Ebowed)
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« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2008, 01:13:23 PM »

Bump.
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« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2008, 01:34:06 PM »

If no one has anything further to add, I will move for a final vote in twenty-four hours. Though I can't imagine that debate on this isn't more contentious. Perhaps people are just sick of discussing the Budget.
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« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2008, 06:27:45 PM »

We are now voting on the following amendment. Please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.

Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution is hereby amended to read:

Section 8: Budget
1. The Senate shall be responsible for drafting and approving a Budget from time to time, as determined by the membership of the body.
2. The Senate shall be empowered to decide what will be included in each Budget, and what may be excluded.
3. The Senate shall be empowered to decide how and where Atlasia derives each year's economic figures (such as GDP estimates, estimates of tax revenue, or needed additional appropriations, etc.).
4. The Senate shall continue to conduct ordinary business while discussion of each budget continues.

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« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2008, 11:09:52 PM »

Tally on Moderate's Amendment
Aye: 2 (Verily; Jake)
Nay: 4 (Ebowed; Speed of Sound; Friz; Sensei)
Yet to vote: 4 (Afleitch; Bacon King; Moderate; Sam Spade)
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« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2008, 04:29:11 PM »

Revised Tally on Moderate's Amendment
Aye: 4 (Verily; Jake; Moderate; Afleitch)
Nay: 4 (Ebowed; Speed of Sound; Friz; Sensei)
Yet to vote: 2 (Bacon King; Sam Spade)
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« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2008, 07:05:23 PM »

Revised Tally on Moderate's Amendment
Aye: 5 (Verily; Jake; Moderate; Afleitch; Sam Spade)
Nay: 4 (Ebowed; Speed of Sound; Friz; Sensei)
Yet to vote: 1 (Bacon King)
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« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2008, 05:25:33 PM »

Just a reminder to Bacon King...
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« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2008, 05:21:04 PM »

Voting is open for one more hour on this amendment.
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« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2008, 06:47:44 PM »

Sponsorship cannot be withdrawn during a vote. And Bacon King made the deadline (as did Jake), so...

Tally on Amendment
Aye: 5 (Verily; Moderate; Afleitch; Sam Spade; Bacon King)
Nay: 5 (Ebowed; Speed of Sound; Friz; Sensei; Jake)

With five in favor and five opposed, the Vice President gets to do his duty.
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« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2008, 11:54:18 AM »

Result on Amendment
Aye: 6 (Verily; Moderate; Afleitch; Sam Spade; Bacon King; Jas)
Nay: 5 (Ebowed; Speed of Sound; Friz; Sensei; Jake)

With six in favor, the amendment passes.
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« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2008, 03:06:45 PM »

Great, so now we get a chance to vote to legalize what we've been doing for two years and continue to do nothing, or just be okay with it being illegal and keep doing it anyway. When it comes to change here, I guess "No We Can't".

Abolishing the budget would not be "change", it would be just like the current circumstance. This amendment allows Senators to work on the Budget if they really want to. Sen. Moderate has indicated some desire to work with the budget, at least, and I am not one to say that we shouldn't allow anyone to try to come up with something, even if we think right now that it is an overly daunting task.
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« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2008, 07:18:35 PM »

I will pick up sponsorship. Senators (except Sen. Ebowed) have twenty-four hours to object.
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« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2008, 06:49:50 PM »

*sigh*

Speed of Sound, for someone who complained monstrously about the Senate not doing anything about the budget, you are certainly being obstructionist about it.

Anyway, Senators have forty-eight hours to volunteer to assume sponsorship, more or less.
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« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2008, 08:22:27 PM »

*sigh*

Speed of Sound, for someone who complained monstrously about the Senate not doing anything about the budget, you are certainly being obstructionist about it.

Anyway, Senators have forty-eight hours to volunteer to assume sponsorship, more or less.
I wanna kill this bill because I wanted to kill the budget. I hate this new bill because any senator can work on the budget whenever NOW. This doesnt do anything. Nobody cares that the senate hasnt done sh**t, and any senator can do whatever with the budget right now whenever, and we could pass whenever and no one would care. Theres no need to change the legal wording to make it 'legal'. All the amendment did was kill the chance to rid ourselves of the budget we havent passed in two and a half years.

Your purism is never going to pass the Senate and the population. It is time to compromise on the issue.
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« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2008, 11:00:19 PM »

We really need to fix that sponsorship-assumption problem.
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« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2008, 11:19:39 PM »

The best way to fix it is to have a majority vote needed for someone to assume sponsorship.

ie, you assume sponsorship, I object, the Senate votes. If a majority approve you as sponsor, you assume sponsorship.

That's what I'd like to see, too. I was working on a Resolution to amend the OSPR to allow for that; I see Sensei has already introduced something similar. It doesn't really fit the bill of what would be needed of such a Resolution, but it can be amended. Or, if it's still at the bottom of the queue at the beginning of the new Senate, I'll just introduce my own Resolution.
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« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2008, 11:14:14 PM »

With seventy-two hours having elapsed, this legislation is withdrawn.

I will introduce the amended version of this legislation in the next Senate.
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