Argument for Dem House for a long time

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Well Mr. Phips,

Now tht we have changed to North Carolina and Virginia, lets look at the record.

First, please note that achieving near parity in a statewide contest has no real impact on House races, as there is a tendency for Democrats to win predominantly minority districts by three to one (or more) margins and lose other districts by lesser margins.

In North Carolina, the Democrats did a good job of making sure that there are very few wasted votes by making the two minority districts barely majority-minority.  If they win back the Virginia legislature, they will make VA-03 barely minority while moving many black voters into VA-04 to win that district back.  Racial gerrymandering where it is not geographically compact is coming to an end. 

How can racial gerrymandering put an end to racial gerrymandering?

I don't get your question.  Im not talking about keeping racial gerrymadering, im talking about abolishing it unless it is geographically compact like in Atlanta, New York City, or Detroit.

You're talking about using racial gerrymandering to create more Democratis districts. You seem to consider this as putting an end to racial gerrymandering.

It's not racial gerrymandering if one racial group just happens to live in a compact area. The districts of New York City could be shaped much more logically and would still mostly be majority black or majority Hispanic with a majority white district in Manhattan and another on Staten Island. It would be much worse if we specifically designed all of the New York City districts to match the city's overall demographics.

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Well Mr. Phips,

Now tht we have changed to North Carolina and Virginia, lets look at the record.

First, please note that achieving near parity in a statewide contest has no real impact on House races, as there is a tendency for Democrats to win predominantly minority districts by three to one (or more) margins and lose other districts by lesser margins.

In North Carolina, the Democrats did a good job of making sure that there are very few wasted votes by making the two minority districts barely majority-minority.  If they win back the Virginia legislature, they will make VA-03 barely minority while moving many black voters into VA-04 to win that district back.  Racial gerrymandering where it is not geographically compact is coming to an end. 

How can racial gerrymandering put an end to racial gerrymandering?

I don't get your question.  Im not talking about keeping racial gerrymadering, im talking about abolishing it unless it is geographically compact like in Atlanta, New York City, or Detroit.

You're talking about using racial gerrymandering to create more Democratis districts. You seem to consider this as putting an end to racial gerrymandering.

It's not racial gerrymandering if one racial group just happens to live in a compact area. The districts of New York City could be shaped much more logically and would still mostly be majority black or majority Hispanic with a majority white district in Manhattan and another on Staten Island. It would be much worse if we specifically designed all of the New York City districts to match the city's overall demographics.

And I quote: "In North Carolina, the Democrats did a good job of making sure that there are very few wasted votes by making the two minority districts barely majority-minority.  If they win back the Virginia legislature, they will make VA-03 barely minority while moving many black voters into VA-04 to win that district back.  "

That sounds like a school-book example of racial gerrymandering to me. Saying that it constitutes putting an end to racial gerrymandering seems highly contradictory to me.

I suppose I find the first example different from what he said in later posts. I agree with this sentiment:

"im talking about abolishing it unless it is geographically compact like in Atlanta, New York City, or Detroit."

Not the one you quoted.

North Carolina's gerrymandering is just as bad as some other gerrymanders.