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Fmr President & Senator Polnut
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« on: October 25, 2016, 05:58:04 PM »

Not a chance. With today's Obamacare news I doubt she'll even win.

If you're serious, find a compassionate doctor to help remove the pearls choking you.
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« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2016, 06:05:38 PM »

Not a chance. With today's Obamacare news I doubt she'll even win.

I wish that was true, but libs love their failure that is Obamacare.  It's not even going to help the marginally poor now, just the destitute and millions paying the price for thousands doesn't even pass the Vulcan idiom of "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one." 

No, it wasn't a failure. The failure was keeping the private insurance industry as the dominant player in the market. Having said that, the alternative was unsustainable. If anything, this news will only drive support for a single-payer, even if only at the state level, as it permits the government to have more power of the price signals, which is how the universal systems (as-someone-who-lives-with-one-don't-even-try-to-spout-inaccurate-bs-about-them) have lower overheads and can limit cost-growth.

This isn't rocket-science... kind of interesting that Hillary's healthcare plan would have avoided this. Ah well.
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« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2016, 06:21:29 PM »
« Edited: October 25, 2016, 06:24:28 PM by Fmr President & Senator Polnut »

Not a chance. With today's Obamacare news I doubt she'll even win.

I wish that was true, but libs love their failure that is Obamacare.  It's not even going to help the marginally poor now, just the destitute and millions paying the price for thousands doesn't even pass the Vulcan idiom of "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one." 

No, it wasn't a failure. The failure was keeping the private insurance industry as the dominant player in the market. Having said that, the alternative was unsustainable. If anything, this news will only drive support for a single-payer, even if only at the state level, as it permits the government to have more power of the price signals, which is how the universal systems (as-someone-who-lives-with-one-don't-even-try-to-spout-inaccurate-bs-about-them) have lower overheads and can limit cost-growth.

This isn't rocket-science... kind of interesting that Hillary's healthcare plan would have avoided this. Ah well.

I'd like a real free market alternative. No huge conglomorates pushing their weight around, cheap doctors visits, etc.  But that's a lot harder to tear down the garbage that's in place now vs going full single-payer.

Obamacare is a failure because it socialized the costs but not the benefits. Only a select few get benefit, it's like a huge insurance ponzi scheme.  Either provide basic healthcare for all that pay in or scrap the whole system!

The conglomerates are a consequence of the free-market approach. Healthcare is a basic need, therefore, given that, people will pay what the market dictates, in the healthcare free-market there is NO actual real concept of competition to drive costs down.

Actually, no the costs are the issue. Increasing access is still the primary benefit of the universal system, it's the key to increasing health outcomes. You don't see the benefits immediately, because it's the nature of those types of healthcare systems, the idea that more of the population will have access to the system, is a long-term benefit. The best idea would be state-level government single-payer options that would get a lot of attention and actually be the best way to force the playing field into level and force genuine "competition" but in this context, competition means establishing a new baseline and forcing the expectations of the market down. I'm someone who believes in the free-market and the benefit of competition, but not when it comes to essential services.
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« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2016, 08:19:16 PM »

She'll finish in the 300-350 range.  As of today--she will probably lose OH, IA, and ME/2 and win NC for a total of 322.

I don't think ME-02 is in real danger any more.
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« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2016, 08:31:19 PM »

<20% chance she breaks 300, let alone 400.

Are you insane?

I'm sick of these Debbie-Downers who aren't actually reading.

Anyhoo - she can't get to 400 without Texas. IF Texas could happen, then yes.

I have her on 359 Obama 2012 +NC, AZ and NE-02
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« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2016, 08:49:16 PM »

<20% chance she breaks 300, let alone 400.

Are you insane?

I'm sick of these Debbie-Downers who aren't actually reading.



I am reading everything here and happen to disagree--if she fails to reach 300, then she fails to reach 400.



That's my question, I basically don't see how she doesn't get to 300 at this point.
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« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2016, 08:58:33 PM »

<20% chance she breaks 300, let alone 400.

Are you insane?

I'm sick of these Debbie-Downers who aren't actually reading.



I am reading everything here and happen to disagree--if she fails to reach 300, then she fails to reach 400.



That's my question, I basically don't see how she doesn't get to 300 at this point.

Losing Iowa, Ohio, and Florida (which I'm not entirely sold on yet) while keeping Nevada and picking up North Carolina.

If Florida becomes a certainty then it would be 323 but I'm not fully confident with Rubio's numbers still being good.

I think Clinton/Rubio voters are going to be a common occurrence, so I wouldn't put too much stock in that. 
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