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DownWithTheLeft
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« on: July 22, 2007, 03:01:41 PM »

While this bill goes nowhere near far enough, I think it is a reasonable compromise.  However, I propose an amendment to Section 5:

If Israel does not meet the said conditions within six months of passage of this bill, the Republic of Atlasia will withdraw 75% of financial aid, plus an additional 5% for every month Israel fails to comply.

Another amendment I propose to create a new appropriatley numbered section stating:

The newly recognized nation of Palestine must also recognize the newly formed boundaries of Israel.  Failure to the recognize the nation of Israel as it will stand will result in a derecognition of the nation of Palestine by the Republic of Atlasia.
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DownWithTheLeft
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« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2007, 03:08:40 PM »

Under their current government, Israel will never be recognized as a nation. This is nothing but a waste of time.

But then there are consequences against Palestine as we do not recognize them and continue to ally against them with Israel.  They can get land and Atlasian recognition, if they pass that up then that's their problem.
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DownWithTheLeft
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« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2007, 03:21:56 PM »

I will propose a clause that requires all Arab groups within Palestine and Gaza to recognize Israel and stop wishing for its destruction before we or Israel do any recognition of any sort of Palestine or Gaza.

I will get the wording out fairly quickly on the amendment.

My amendment kind of already does that
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DownWithTheLeft
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« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2007, 03:33:07 PM »

Under their current government, Israel will never be recognized as a nation. This is nothing but a waste of time.

But then there are consequences against Palestine as we do not recognize them and continue to ally against them with Israel. 

Then this is pointless since they won't comply.

The point is giving them a chance by saying "You can have land and your country if you recognize borders."  I think it's worth a try.  The senate has very mixed feelings as we have radically pro-Israel and radically anti-Israel members of the senate so this is a good compromise.
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DownWithTheLeft
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« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2007, 07:35:45 AM »

Under their current government, Israel will never be recognized as a nation. This is nothing but a waste of time.

But then there are consequences against Palestine as we do not recognize them and continue to ally against them with Israel.  They can get land and Atlasian recognition, if they pass that up then that's their problem.

Do you have any understanding of the current situation in the Middle East? I realise that you are, to slightly misquote the late Lord Stratford, living proof that a pigs bladder on a stick can get elected to the Senate, but even so...

I have a good understanding of what is going on, and no I do not believe the Palestinians will accept this bill, however, it is worth giving it a shot the current plan is not working very well at all.  Do I love this bill?  Of course not I think we should stop funding both nations entirely and completly remove ourselves from the conflict, but this bill is at least a compromise that gives things a chance to work them out.  If the Palestinians fail to hold up their end of the bargain, well then at least we can't say we didn't try.  Leaving things as they are now is about the worst thing we can do.  I hesistate to propose an amendment that we strike the whole bill and just replace it with saying we will remain neutral and not provide support to either side, but I do not believe the votes are there to pass such a measure.
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