Anti-CARLHAYDEN Bill

[DownWithTheLeft]

Although the bill not only is awful because of its goal, it makes the goal unrealistic.  There is way we could have that mad rush of citizenship.  Plus, it is easy for these people to have escaped crimes or made new identies, we would need indentification that would be impossible to be had most likely.

I propose a few amendments to make sure if passed the bill is at least reasonable:

First Amendment:
Strike Section 1.2 out of the bill

Second Amendment:
Amend Section 2.1 to include all felonies including using fake SS numbers

Third Amendment:
Add a new Clause to Section 2 saying:
Must have been in the country for at least 10 years, hold a steady job or be the supporter of a family

[DownWithTheLeft]

Add a new Clause to Section 2 saying:
Must have been in the country for at least 10 years, hold a steady job or be the supporter of a family

That's ridiculous.  Not even most legal immigrants fit all of those qualifications.  What about a married couple, who are both illegal aliens, who have a child here, (who, under American law anyway, gets automatic citizenship).  The husband has obtained a steady job and is supporting his family.  The wife isn't financially supporting her new child, but staying home with it.  This means the husband could apply for citizenship, but the wife could not.

The word is or meaning they only have to one of the qualifications.  I will still vote against the bill but this makes it better

[DownWithTheLeft]

Nay

[DownWithTheLeft]

Aye (althought it appears is it does matter)

As Jake pointed out, the whole point of illegal labor is b/c it is cheap.  If these people had to be paid minimum wage they would out of a job so fast.  All that clause does is cost almost all illegals their jobs. 

[DownWithTheLeft]

Aye, c'mon people the bill is awful but let's at least make it better.

[DownWithTheLeft]

Aye, c'mon people the bill is awful but let's at least make it better.

The problem is that we don't have a list of what crimes constitute felonies, although I suspect that certain things (such as having consensual sex with your relative, or using cocaine) may be considered a felony and even if you think those things should be illegal I wouldn't bar someone from entering the country because of them.

Then I propose we revote on the amendment making the wording more clear to "having committed the crime of using a fake identity or social security to gain employment or other benefits"

[DownWithTheLeft]

Aye

[DownWithTheLeft]

Will every amendment I propose get voted on?

[DownWithTheLeft]

Ok, one more serious amendment and then you can motion to end debate, I think there is a serious issue as to when and how this amnesty will take place, so I propose:

Section 2.4: An illegal immigrant may apply for amnesty one year after the passage of this bill
Section 2.5: A quota of 200,000 illegals will be allowed to apply for citizenship each year.

[DownWithTheLeft]

You can kill this amendment adn move to the next one

[DownWithTheLeft]

Ok, one more serious amendment and then you can motion to end debate, I think there is a serious issue as to when and how this amnesty will take place, so I propose:

Section 2.4: An illegal immigrant may apply for amnesty one year after the passage of this bill
Section 2.5: A quota of 200,000 illegals will be allowed to apply for citizenship each year.

What is the rationale for 2.5?  Allowing 12 million people to apply for citizenship is still more practical than deporting them.

The rationale is that having this mass influx of new citizens at once, and let's be real many will need government programs, is too much to handle.  We need this to be a gradual change.  A green card raffle if we must.

[DownWithTheLeft]

So, legal immigrants must be living in the country for five years, but an illegal immigrant can apply for citizenship immediately? Very fair.

Bono, it's almost not worth fighting.  The senate is currently very open borders, I would suggest you run but you will either be in mine or Brandon H's district so your victory would do nothing.

[DownWithTheLeft]

Ok, one more serious amendment and then you can motion to end debate, I think there is a serious issue as to when and how this amnesty will take place, so I propose:

Section 2.4: An illegal immigrant may apply for amnesty one year after the passage of this bill
Section 2.5: A quota of 200,000 illegals will be allowed to apply for citizenship each year.

What is the rationale for 2.5?  Allowing 12 million people to apply for citizenship is still more practical than deporting them.

The rationale is that having this mass influx of new citizens at once, and let's be real many will need government programs, is too much to handle.  We need this to be a gradual change.  A green card raffle if we must.

But this sets a special limit based on their previous status as illegal aliens, which is against the spirit of the bill.  They should/will be considered new immigrants applying for citizenship legally.

How would you propose it is phrased then?  We seriously can't expect that it is a good thing to have about 12 million applying for citizenship at the same time.  Our economy would collapse

[DownWithTheLeft]

Aye

[DownWithTheLeft]

To this new Section 3, I would also like to add these new clauses.

2. Section 212(a)(10)(A) of the Immigration and Nationality Act [8 U.S.C. 1182(a)(10)(A)] barring the admission of practicing polygamists shall be repealed as of fiscal year 2008.
3. Section 278 of the Immigration and Nationality Act [8 U.S.C. 1328] banning the importation of aliens for prostitution or other immoral purposes is repealed as of the end of the current fiscal year.

Was this passed or is it a seperate amendment?  B/c you only got one "yea" vote for it

[DownWithTheLeft]

Nay

Is it really a good idea to start importing people for prostitution and polygamy?

[DownWithTheLeft]

I withdraw any amendments if I have any to vote on final passage, although I would like a recap of all the amendments and such considering it seems like there have been a lot.

[DownWithTheLeft]

Wow, this bill is worse than it was before, especially the newly added Section 3.  However I motion for final passage.

[DownWithTheLeft]

Nay