Newsletter Ranting: Honesty, Delivered Brutally [Mad Marokai!]

[DownWithTheLeft]

Well apparently I'm involved in some scheme

I'll say this and only this, some in the party have tried to convince someone in another party of whom I detest for the reason mostly that he hates our party, to join our ticket and I said I would not be oppposed. 

I also stated the breaking of the ticket will result in either an RPP NOTA vote or an RPP vote for our ticket and our ticket only.  If the DA really thinks they can take down Lief by their lonesome, they can have at it and I wish them the best.  Anyone who thinks that MJ/Franzl wouldn't have won is kidding themselves, but the DA apparently wants to feel important again and their hissy fit members like HW and Hash honestly believe they can win without forming a unity ticket.

[DownWithTheLeft]

There are certain things more important than winning.

Honestly in an internet game, no.  If you think something in this game is more important that winning, you honestly have mistaken this to be something other a game.

As Herm Edwards once said, "You play, to win, the game"

[DownWithTheLeft]

I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with that statement, winning is only a positive side effect of good game play. The process itself is what's fun.

There is nothing fun about losing elections, Franzl you know I respect you deeply, but throwing away a sure-fire shot to be VP isn't exactly a great decision

[DownWithTheLeft]

Oh and just so everyone knows, I told Hamilton not to run in the Northeast and wait for Smid to decide and then weight all the options

[DownWithTheLeft]

Oh and just so everyone knows, I told Hamilton not to run in the Northeast and wait for Smid to decide and then weight all the options

To which I said, I don't care, because Smid told me a long time ago he wouldn't run.

I know, but I need some positive press sometimes

[DownWithTheLeft]

The fact that the came to a consensus agreement that they could beat the JCP in a heads up election does not make the decision anymore misguided.

[DownWithTheLeft]

The fact that the came to a consensus agreement that they could beat the JCP in a heads up election does not make the decision anymore misguided.

Again, what makes you think that was the consensus? Your short-term goal of winning the presidency (and a DA vice-presidency) does not fit in with our long-term goals, so the RPP offer was not the most attractive offer. We have no illusions as to the chances of winning; it is much harder now than it was in a unity ticket. But winning wasn't on our minds so much in the decision process.

Long-term goals?  That is a really misguided belief if you think that you can beat the JCP heads up ever, and if you came close the RPP would just preference the JCP anyway.  Face it, the DA is not a major party, its a group of people closer to the center who need the help of the left or right to win elections

[DownWithTheLeft]

PS, I don't believe myself or anyone in the party has ever attacked you.  We attack those who make stupid decision, no matter what party they belong to.  To get offended because not everyone in the RPP agrees with everyone in the DA is childish.  When you needed my backing did I not help you?  Did I not try to get Franzl elected to the last senate seat by pushing my party to 3rd pref him?

[DownWithTheLeft]

I feel like the bad blood that damaged this ticket came from Hashie having a pouting fit that the RPP wanted to run a candidate against him in the Northeast.  Frankly, why the hell wouldn't we?  What kind of party would we be if we just bent over and allowed other parties to win senate seats that we could at least compete for?  Childish behavior, but I expected nothing less.  MasterJedi has never been anything but kind to the DA and he really is being dragged down for no reason

[DownWithTheLeft]

Had nothing to do with you MJ. It was a general turn away from the RPP, especially because of DWTL's treatment of HW, Hash and afleitch, as well as the way the party handled the last election..

I'm trying to follow the logic, DWTL, no longer party chair, doesn't like a whopping 3 (4 if you count Vepres now) member of your party and really is unwilling to work with only one of them, you break off the chance to have the VP under MasterJedi who you like?  The same DWTL that pushed heavily for the election of Franzl to the senate.

Good, that clear everything up

[DownWithTheLeft]

The RPP isn't making any changes because a few liberals who want to feel important and not overshadowed in the JCP say we should.  Let's not kid ourselves PS, you liked the RPP when it was conveinent, but now that you aren't running for re-election you suddenly hate us.  NOTHING HAS CHANGED IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR

[DownWithTheLeft]

Jesus, I had no idea the Butthurt Convention was in town.

Guys, grow the hell up.

I mean this "honesty, delievered brutually", thought I'd dish some out

[DownWithTheLeft]

The RPP isn't making any changes because a few liberals who want to feel important and not overshadowed in the JCP say we should.  Let's not kid ourselves PS, you liked the RPP when it was conveinent, but now that you aren't running for re-election you suddenly hate us.  NOTHING HAS CHANGED IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR

Usually I tried to ignore the things you said. For much of the time I wasn't looking our for my party's interest, but my own. However, having responsibilities to the DA has now shifted my politics from the personal to the public good. Your actions have been atrocious. The strategy of the RPP has been downright nasty, both to respected Atlasians and respected DAers.

My opinion and the opinion of the DA is clear. Now the ball is in your court. Clean up or shut up.

Yeah honestly the RPP isn't going to kiss the DAs ass to get votes, that's not how we roll.  But if you guys like be marginally important keep it up its working well!

[DownWithTheLeft]

The DA didn't win 4 seats BTW as we all know.  And having HW stuck in an unimportant cabinet position is good for everyone, it feeds his ego and need to be loved by complete strangers and no one has to care what he says at all.

The DA does not have the ability to compete heads up with the JCP at all

[DownWithTheLeft]

The DA didn't win 4 seats BTW as we all know.  And having HW stuck in an unimportant cabinet position is good for everyone, it feeds his ego and need to be loved by complete strangers and no one has to care what he says at all.

The DA does not have the ability to compete heads up with the JCP at all

Neither does the RPP

Moreso than the DA does, but at least we recognize a need to attract DA support where they seem to be under the impression that they can topple the JCP without us.

The DA has some great members, they just are brought down by childish leadership

[DownWithTheLeft]

Who do you think the great members are?   I wish to God that you were running the DA, because I know that things would be different.  Let's not kid ourselves, we all know why the DA wants to run their own ticket.  Hash is angry that the RPP is challenging his senate seat and he feels that only people that post 200+ times a day in this forum should be able to vote.  Andrew you are a sensible guy, you know that the RPP is easy to work with, you know we are an active bunch of people, and you know that we fight for one thing and one thing only, regional rights.  We aren't a band of facists or anything else that we get painted as.

[DownWithTheLeft]

Keep it up DWTL, you're making us look good.

Honestly I am not doing anything but exactly what you are doing from the opposite perspective, in fact, you have claimed ridiculous things were I am simply stating facts.  For one that I am somehow demanding Jedi pick certain running mates when I posted as recently as two hours ago that I would support anyone he chooses.

[DownWithTheLeft]

Also, just as a random counter to DWTL's "lol" post in his signature:

Perhaps most telling though is the collapse of the Atlasian left as a cohesive unit.  The DA and RPP look to have turned Atlasia into the closest thing to a two party system we have ever seen.

I must say the left has done a great job becoming a cohesive unit, but at the time the left was in shambles.  I was merely making a remark at the current state, not offering any projections.

[DownWithTheLeft]

I think you are missing the point, the DA (more particuarly their smoke and mirrors leadership) wants to try and bully the RPP out of running against them in senate elections.  Its funny for a party that demands transparency, they make a smoke and mirrors backroom decision to run their own ticket

[DownWithTheLeft]

I don't believe I understand the mindset of the DA leadership at all. If they expect us to simply disband, they are sorely mistaken. There are a lot of DA members I hold great affection and they've explained to me their plight, but none of it makes sense when the leadership is sending such mixed signals. None of us can change our ways when their list of complains continue to change.

Well you have two people, Hash and HW, calling the shots who seek affection for those on the forum.  PS seems to also have some say and he changes whichever way the wind blows that day.  The DA seems to think that they can bully the RPP into changes to some sort of effeminate hippie party or something.  The RPP never asked the DA to change anything it did or believed in when forming the ticket, and they shouldn't expect us to change.  I'd like to know what exactly has changed from when this ticket was first discussed other than the person who they apparently hate so much stepping down as chair

[DownWithTheLeft]

Duke HW is the one who says he never wants to work with the RPP, its really a shame that no one loved him as a child or something.  The amount of love and attention he demands is really too much for anyone on this forum to handle.  I love how the RPP is apparently so dark and mystic and evil, but you have a party of little standing trying to bully another party for practically no reason.  We are 100% willing to work with the DA and any party for that matter.  Hell, everyone knows that I like a lot of the people in the JCP and support them (alright maybe just a handful )

[DownWithTheLeft]

Who was it that supported such zombie reform recently, apart from me?

But, meh, whatever. Nothing new. The RPP hates the DA since we didn't decide to ally with them again.

I said that I would be a better ally toward zombie reform than Fritz, was is true.  I want reform, but not to the extend perhaps that the DA does.  Let's face it, the DA cannot win a presidential election without aligning with the RPP, again I took that the DA leadership was intelligent for granted again.  My apoligies

[DownWithTheLeft]

I still like serveral people in the RPP. Some of which I believe are well respected members of Atlasia, hell even DWDL and I get along. Sometimes. Either way, I'm not going to be a part of the bickering back and fourth. Lets face it, the RPP needs the DA, the DA needs the RPP, just like every other party needs the others help to win races.

 DONE

Amen, I 100% agree with this statement.  I think the problem is that I don't sugarcoat this as other people do

[DownWithTheLeft]

Afleitch seems to be under the misimpression that the RPP (and more specifically in this case myself although the party shares the sentiments on the private board) despises him for any vote.  We don't hate people for the way they vote, I certainly got angry with Jedi for voting for HW for PPT, but there is a reason why it didn't carry over.  Jedi was outfront about it, explained his reasoning and moved on.

Afleitch does the same old song and dance of acting like he likes the RPP only to twist the knife in our back at the end.  Its his lack of dignity, honesty, and his repeated actions that have lead to the current feelings against him, not his votes.  Case and point is saying he wouldn't vote for me because I was "inactive"

[DownWithTheLeft]

There has been no contradiction on my part at all, I have consistently stated from the time AndrewCT picked Afleitch that my opposition to Afleitch stems from his nice guy exterior back-stabber interior