Democrats and Republicans Both Seen as Too Extreme

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If this is the case then why don't "moderate" candidates win more races nationwide?

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Many posters on here genuinely believe that Democrats are the morally upright and only legitimate political party, and that Republicans are an illegitimate party that is fascist, authoritarian, and anti-American. The poll referred to in this thread certainly demonstrates how far apart this forum's members are from the majority of Americans, in terms of how they view the world.

I mean in practically every developed country, the Democratic Party would be considered normal and the Republican Party would be seen as an extremist party.

Only in this country can the Democratic Party somehow be considered "extreme"....to some people. Also, this is just one poll. One poll isn't definitive.

Furthermore, this poll didn't ask anyone if they thought that "X party was extreme or not". It just showed that some independents think that there should be more moderates in both parties. What a surprise!

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1. This is way overblown. In Canada Harper basically governed like a Republican Lite PM and lasted 10 years and their current leader is someone who won by running against vax mandates, on firing a whole bunch of gov employees and on taking on woke institutions . He is also leading in the polls right now and in Alberta their new conservative leader is someone who ran on outright nullifying federal laws which is even further than the GOP goes

In Europe you have seen for the past decade the rise of the populist right and the european populist right make the GOP look like liberals on issues like immigration.


2. Making a direct issue by issue comparison makes zero sense given that US culture has always been way more individualistic than Western Europe/Canada and for a long time way more religious as well.

If you put politicians like Harper, Poilievre , Truss, Cameron, May here, they would not be much different from the GOP either on the issues.

Nope, it's not overblown. This just tells me that all major right-wing parties in the developed world are extreme.

I think that's a fair assessment lol.

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Including the Democratic Party? 😳

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This is repeated over and over again but I don’t think it’s true. It may be true for healthcare and guns. The biggest thing conservatives point to as being extreme is the anti-patriotism and wokism of the American left and I can’t find many countries where the ideas of the woke wouldn’t be seen as out of the mainstream. Canada of course but where else can you develop a whole worldview around the idea that your own country and culture is fundamentally bad and illegitimate? Or the idea that criminals aren’t responsible for their crimes? Or the idea that it’s compassionate to let public spaces turn into open air drug market tent camps?

The Democratic Party doesn't believe ANY of those things

Also, the Republican Party's positions on abortion, the LGBT and climate change would be viewed as extreme in every developed country. Not just guns and healthcare.

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The UK is to the right of the US on trans issues so this is false. On Climate Change the CDN Tories basically hold the same position as the GOP and abortion like I mentioned is cause America is more religious overall .

Semantics as per usual. Regardless, my point very much still stands.

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LGBT definitely not. Unless you only consider countries in northwestern Europe to be developed. Abortion depends. The complete ban would be radical in most countries but a 15 week limit would not.

If it were up to Republicans, same-sex marriage would be illegal. That would be extreme in most developed countries except for a few (like Italy, South Korea, Japan, etc).

Also, like you said a complete ban on abortion, which is something that many/most Republicans want is extreme in most developed countries.

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LGBT definitely not. Unless you only consider countries in northwestern Europe to be developed. Abortion depends. The complete ban would be radical in most countries but a 15 week limit would not.

If it were up to Republicans, same-sex marriage would be illegal. That would be extreme in most developed countries except for a few (like Italy, South Korea, Japan, etc).

Also, like you said a complete ban on abortion, which is something that many/most Republicans want is extreme in most developed countries.

I don’t think most republicans want to ban same sex marriage now. Same sex marriage is pretty new in almost every country and some countries like Japan don’t have it still so I don’t think a party where a large minority or maybe a slight plurality oppose that is very abnormal.

I literally said that Japan is one of the few developed countries where SSM is illegal.

Furthermore, like I said, IF IT WERE UP TO Republicans, SSM would be banned in America. That's not even a debate.